No Turn Signals

[1957150]

I can not get the turn signals to work.All the wiring is new and I installed a Flaming River tilt column and used their adapter with 4 way flasher to jump from the newer conector to the 57 conector. With the parking lights are on the arows light up.When the key is on and the parking lights are on the right light will go out when the left signal is depressed and the left goes out with the right is depressed.
When the parking lights are off the arows will not light up when the turn signal is depressed..Anyone have any idea what could be wrong.
Thanks Phil

[1957150]

I thought of that sence it has no front sheet metel so I put the bulbs in the old sockets and held them to a ground. They do light up but only with the parking lights on. no blink.

[1957150]

Anyone have anything that my help to see what is wrong with the turn signals? Just thought I would try one more time.
Thanks Phil

[tbm1949]

From the sound of it, you may need to check to see if you have the running lights and turn signal wires crossed.

[D.S.]

Have to agree with 5CLINT7's first post, sounds like ground at front lights...

[acardon]

When the parking lights are off the arows will not light up when the turn signal is depressed..Anyone have any idea what could be wrong.
Thanks Phil

If you don't have a ground on the front bulbs, take the bulbs out and trouble shoot the rear turn signals without the front bulbs. The front bulbs not being grounded can give a false indication at the indicator lights. As mentioned, the rear turn signals without the front bulbs may not flash, but they will burn solid. That's because there is not enough current going through the flasher to make the flasher operate. First, do the brake lights work? This indicates the rear turn signal bulbs and wiring is good. Check the yellow wire coming from the flasher for power, at the steering column connector.
Have you wired the 4 way flasher to power and do the 4-ways work?

[1957150]

The 4 ways work.I have power to the flasher. Mybe it is a ground thing but I will try to see if the rear light comes on with the front one out.All the lights work except when the turn signal comes on.

[acardon]

The 4 ways work.I have power to the flasher. Mybe it is a ground thing but I will try to see if the rear light comes on with the front one out.All the lights work except when the turn signal comes on.

If the 4 ways work, it's not a grounding problem. I suspect it's the wiring or a connector between the original connector and the FR steering column. Your not getting power from the original turn signal flasher and the turn signal switch.

[1957150]

The rear light does not work when I put the turn signal on with the front bulb out. So key on and lights off the turn signals do not light up.Could the switch in the new culonm be bad. The yellow wire has power.I will check again but I think it did when I checked it last.
Thanks Phil

[1957150]

The yellow wire is dim the tan wire is bright.

[acardon]

The yellow wire is dim the tan wire is bright.

They should be the same with the key on and no turn signal selected. Can you swap flashers with the 4 way flasher?
The yellow wire could be shorted, holding the flasher open.

[1957150]

I did try athe flasher out of my hardtop but it did nothing.I will check the yellow wire some more.It just seems that when you have everthing new that it would work unless I did somthing wrong.That is what I was looking for but I just canot find it.

[acardon]

Unplug one of the steering column connectors and recheck the yellow wire at the flasher. You should have the same voltage as the tan wire, without the turn signal selected. A short in the column could drop the voltage.

[1957150]

Should the yellow wire go out when the turn signal is on?that is what it does. I will go out and unplug the jumber out of the calunm and check the two wires at the flasher for voltage?

[acardon]

Should the yellow wire go out when the turn signal is on?that is what it does. I will go out and unplug the jumber out of the calunm and check the two wires at the flasher for voltage?

No, it shouldn't go out without selecting a turn with the switch. Without any current flow the flasher will stay closed.

The way the flasher works.... there is a bi-metalic contact that is closed, then opens momentairly, when the load of the bulbs are selected by the turn signal switch. The contact then cools and closes to light the bulb again. The current of the bulb then heats it up again. Repeat as necessary.

[1957150]

I upluged the FR jumper then checked the power.with signal on the light is on but still dim.With the jumper pluged in and signal on the light will go out.

[acardon]

I upluged the FR jumper then checked the power.with signal on the light is on but still dim.

With the steering column connector unplugged, the yellow wire should NOT be connected to anything, so turning the signal switch on, should not change anything.
With the turn signal switch unplugged, the voltage should be the same on the tan and yellow wire. The flasher is just a normally closed contact that opens momentairly when you put a load (light bulbs) on it.
It sounds like the yellow wire is shorted or wired wrong.

[1957150]

Thanks for your help.I will look at it more tomorrow.
Phil

[carls 56]

just something to keep in mind. new stands for never ever worked ;). hope you find the tbl :tu

[D.S.]

Maybe this will help, it shows the pinouts of the connector on the column for the most common GM style connector...

[1957150]

Thanks For the help I printed it.When I disconect the jumper so the new calunm is not in the lupe. I still do not have the same current on the yellow wire as the Tan.

[acardon]

Thanks For the help I printed it.When I disconect the jumper so the new calunm is not in the lupe. I still do not have the same current on the yellow wire as the Tan.

Do you have a voltmeter? Your test light may be drawing enough current to open the flasher contact, but if it is, it should cause it to blink if the flasher is good. Is the 4 way flasher the same terminal configeration, and can you swap it for the original flasher?

[1957150]

I swaped the flasher for the four way and still had nothing.I can try a volt meter tomarrow when I can get it back from my fatherinlaw.Can I jump a wire from the fuse panel to the flasher in place of the yellow?

[acardon]

I swaped the flasher for the four way and still had nothing.I can try a volt meter tomarrow when I can get it back from my fatherinlaw.Can I jump a wire from the fuse panel to the flasher in place of the yellow?

The flasher gets its power from the tan wire which is connected to the ignition switch. This is an unfused circuit so I hesitate to tell you to use a jumper. The yellow wire should go from the flasher to the steering column connector only. The yellow wire supplies voltage to the turn signal switch.
You might try taking the yellow wire out of the flasher connector and checking the power at both flasher terminals with the key on. Again, it should be 12 volts at both terminals. Look for a pinched wire where the harness goes to the steering column connector from the flasher.

[1957150]

Thanks I will look at it.If the yellow goes into the calunm then when I pullrd the jumper from the calunm why was the yellow still lit up?When I traced the yellow wire it looked to go into the main harness from the flasher.Does that sound wright?

[acardon]

Thanks I will look at it.If the yellow goes into the calunm then when I pullrd the jumper from the calunm why was the yellow still lit up?When I traced the yellow wire it looked to go into the main harness from the flasher.Does that sound wright?

The yellow gets it's power from the flasher. It supplies power from the flasher to the turn signal switch.
The yellow may be taped in the dash harness but it only goes from the flasher to the turn signal connector.

[1957150]

Well just a follow up.I jumped the yellow wire with a inline fuse and had 12 volts on both wires.Then I looked at the yellow wire connection as well as I could, my eyes are really bad.But when I put the wire back in it seemed lose.So I took it back out and pushed up on the tab more that holds it in.Well that made the diference It started woking and after putting everything back up under the dash It is still working.Thanks for putting up with me Don.

[acardon]

:tu :tu :tu

[yugogl57]

does anyone have a actual picture of were the plastic and spring go when replacing the parts for signal handle.when i took the wheel off everything was missing and when i bought the parts in carlisle last weekend i didn,t get any kind of a diagram . i would really appreciat any info thanks

[210ratrod]

does anyone have a actual picture of were the plastic and spring go when replacing the parts for signal handle.when i took the wheel off everything was missing and when i bought the parts in carlisle last weekend i didn,t get any kind of a diagram . i would really appreciat any info thanks

Don't know if this will help, but...http://www.trifive.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10618
Hopefully this works for you. If not, send a PM to 57viper, he'll send you any info he has.

Tim

[acardon]

And here is a drawing from a shop manual....http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1955/55csm1215.html