Disc brake braided hose length for front?

[737Pilot]

Ok, I bought the CPP 4 wheel disc brake kit with 12" rotors for the front a while back. I am now putting all the brakes on. However, there are different length braided hoses for front and back and no instructions on which goes where. Also, no instructions on whether the front calipers (12" brakes) mount with the bleeder valve facing up or down.

I have the the front calipers mounted with the bleeders facing up and with the long hoses attached, they bind up and get caught in the wheel when you turn them. So I then put the shorter ones on and they fit much better. But that now leaves me with the long braided for the back which makes absolutely no sense.

This same kit is sold by Danchuck and their photos show they same braided hoses. So, does anyone know which lines go where and if the front calipers mount bleeder up or down? Thanks for any help.

[classic gary]

ALL disc brake calipers mount with the bleeder screws up. Heaver fluid goes to the bottom of the "chamber" air floats to the top, then, when bled, the air goes out the bleeder screws. (or that is the way it's supposed to work.)

[cpptech]

Good Morning,

the longer hoses are for the front brakes. Its all a routing deal for clearance. As for the bleeders like any other application having them pointed up allows air to be blead out.

[737Pilot]

Good Morning,

the longer hoses are for the front brakes. Its all a routing deal for clearance. As for the bleeders like any other application having them pointed up allows air to be blead out.

Ok, so then why do they bind up in the wheels when the wheel is turned outward? They are way too long. They can only go on one way also. So what am I doing wrong?

[cpptech]

Email me a picture to aaron@classicperform.com

[56owner]

I think common procedure is to put a loop in the hose between the caliper and the hose mount. And tighten the last end so the hose isn't rubbing on itself.

[56Mark]

I have the CPP 12" kit too and had the same problem. I could never get one side to where it didn't rub the wheel or something. The hose had to have a double U shape in it and they just don't stay where they should. I think one of the problems is the where the hoses come out of the calipers pointing up. I finally gave up and put different calipers on that have the hoses coming out a different direction towards the back (I can't remember what they fit, but the same caliper except the hose orientation). I then ordered stainless braided hoses that were about 2" shorter from Inline tube and it solved all of my problems. I still have the calipers that came with the kit if anyone would like a good deal on a set.

Aaron, I do think there is a better caliper option than the ones that come with the kit. I can take pictures of mine sometime if wanted.

[737Pilot]

I can't take pictures until Saturday. The shorter hoses fit much better. Obviously I'm not the only one with issue as 56mark had the same problem. I'll post pictures this weekend.

[56Mark]

Overall, I am very happy with these brakes and not complaining, but I do think there is a little room for improvement that would not cost any more.

Here is a picture of one of the calipers that came with the kit. Sorry, I don't have a better picture. You can see how the hose connection points the hose up into the rim of the wheel. This hose kept rubbing the edge of the rim and actually cut through the outer cover. I repositioned the hose several times before changing calipers and hoses. The wheels are 7" with 4" backspace.
http://www.trifive.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=474&pictureid=21122

Here are the ones on it now. I can not remember what they fit....71 Chevelle maybe? Anyone verify that by looking at them? The wheels in these pictures are 7" with 4 1/4" backspace.
http://www.trifive.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=474&pictureid=21120

The left wheel here is turned most of the way to the right.
http://www.trifive.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=474&pictureid=21121

[56Mark]

The calipers that come with the kit are from a 1977 and the ones I put on fit a 70-72 Chevelle, Monte Carlo, and several others.

[737Pilot]

OK, been working a lot and finally had time to get pictures of the hoses. I put the short one one the pax side and the long one on the drivers side and took pictures. They speak for themselves. Note: These wheels are just temporary spare tires from a newer camaro. They are 17". There's just NO way that the long hose can work.

[737Pilot]

Aaron, I sent you an email with pictures. Did you get them?

[nunu]

The problem is the calipers they use. The correct calipers (1969-72) point the hose rearward. You can cut a new notch in the caliper to point the hose in the correct direction (away from the spring, not towards it)

[737Pilot]

Aaron, did you receive my email and pictures?

[cpptech]

Sure did and I replied to your PM.

[737Pilot]

Ok everybody, I'm fed up with CPP. Aaron told me I need to try to notch the caliper so I can mount the hose at a different angle as suggested by a post above or loop the hose in a different fashion so that it won't rub.

This is just wrong. I have brought to their attention a flaw in their product. They basically tell me I need to work over their product to make it work. I paid 1200 bucks for this kit, it should work right out of the box. They shouldn't make it the customers problem. Especially when another member has posted above that he had the same issue.

This is horrible customer service (I had a similar experience with motor mounts I bought from them). I have spent close to 2k bucks with them and will never buy anything from them again.

[CJS57]

I had similar issues with my Heidt's kit with the bigger Chevelle calipers. Heidt's wanted me to do the same, cut a new notch for the hose in a better direction. I refused and they did send me some smaller 1980 Malibu calipers that work much better. I just felt there could be insurance issues with the home cut notch if there was a big claim. But Heidt's did take care of me on this to their credit.

[737Pilot]

I had similar issues with my Heidt's kit with the bigger Chevelle calipers. Heidt's wanted me to do the same, cut a new notch for the hose in a better direction. I refused and they did send me some smaller 1980 Malibu calipers that work much better. I just felt there could be insurance issues with the home cut notch if there was a big claim. But Heidt's did take care of me on this to their credit.

This could be easily solved with shorter hoses.

[CJS57]

Not really! What needs to be changed is the direction the hose exits the caliper Plus correct length hoses.

[cpptech]

as mentioned in an email; the short hoses would not be the way to go... the hoses need to have enough slack for turning and suspension travel. If you cant get the hose routed with the opening in the caliper as mentioned you can slot another groove 90 degrees from the other one. You should be able to route it without doing that and by looping the hoses as mentioned before.

[cpptech]

If you try the repositioning and you still cant get it routed you can send me the calipers back and I'll have the 2nd notch put in them here. Let me know.