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Old 10-16-2019, 09:18 PM   #21
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Original metal is always better if you can find one and repair it, but the HT quarter can be used, although there may be just a little more of the dip below the trim line, on the reproduction quarter.
To cut at the trim line or below on a 57 will give a better fit, because of the deeper HT dip.
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I don't think you have to cut the trim hole line, you just need to cut deep enough.

The photo of the cuts on a 57 that you posted has the rear cut quite a bit farther back than necessary.
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I posted the picture to show someone doing it, its not my picture and I didn't say anything about how far to go back.

The HT dip goes down only very slightly below the 57 trim line on an original quarter.

On the reproductions, it goes down a little more than that on the Golden Star

And even a little farther on the Sherman
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Old 10-17-2019, 05:13 PM   #24
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Rick, the confusion may be because you did a 55--I think--and the 57 trim line is higher up. The article says to cut 12" below the lowest part of the dip. This pic is a 57
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Rick, the confusion may be because you did a 55--I think--and the 57 trim line is higher up. The article says to cut 12" below the lowest part of the dip. This pic is a 57
That only matters if you are trying to hide poor work behind a molding. The metal in this area is identical (model specific) on all 55-57 hardtops and is also the same on 55-57 2dr sedans so the cut will remain the same for all 3 years unless you are trying to hide something.
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Old 10-18-2019, 01:14 PM   #26
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You seem to want someone to confirm that all three years are the same in that area, I didn't think it necessary, but yes they are except the holes for the trim and what not.

I mostly do metal work, and I have been giving advice without many knowing if I even know what I'm talking about, so I guess its fair that you wonder. First of all, my advice doesn't always reflect what I do, it is what I think is better for the person asking the question.

As for my abilities, I can mig weld sheet metal but I don't, except in rare instances. I can gas weld also, but I prefer to tig weld. What I like most is fusion welding without filler rod, but that requires the seam to be tight, so its not always possible. I pulled these two pieces out of my scrap bucket that I had welded without filler rod some time ago. Welded together they are 3 1/2" x 2 1/4"



The back side



After some cleaning



I didn't time it, but it took less than 10 seconds to weld, and required no grinding.



Round plug to fill a hole, without filler rod



I do have a little trouble using filler rod, but I know how to work metal to correct any problems, so I just make sure I have good penetration and not worry about how pretty it is.

This is actually a badly damaged quarter panel, but it has a good lower part, except for the very bottom is rusted out, so the rust was repaired in order to get a patch panel out of it. I used a rocker panel to replace the rusted bottom.



Welded with tig and filler rod



After grinding on the weld only, and plannishing.





After that, I then had a patch for the quarter panel I wanted to use.





Back side of quarter panel after welding, grinding, and plannishing.





So you see, I don't recommend someone else do things the way I do, I recommend a way that might be better for them.

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You seem to want someone to confirm that all three years are the same in that area, I didn't think it necessary, but yes they are except the holes for the trim and what not.
Show off your welding all you want and I'm not looking for any confirmation nor did I ever question your abilities in any way. That being said my issue is you keep saying it depends on the year where you make the cuts giving inexperienced people the idea the metal is shaped differently depending on the year, That is NOT THE CASE. The ONLY reason to make different cuts depending on the year is if you are trying to hide crappy work, No other reason. The best thing is to keep the amount of any welding in the middle of a panel to a minimum, Not make longer cuts to hide crap.
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I never said that, quote it so I can see what the world you are talking about. Why would they make that area different, it makes no sense and I didn't say it.

The picture that Pops posted looked to me like the cut was higher than it actually was, and I knew the cut had to be at least as far down as the 57 trim line, because the dip goes that far. I was also surprised when I measured and the 12 inches covered the 57 trim line, so it is all a moot point.

There is nothing wrong with someone with less than perfect welding abilities doing it under the trim. If he is over his head, then he shouldn't be attempting such a job at all.
THE SHAPE OF THE 2DR HT DIP AREA IS THE SAME FOR ALL THREE YEARS
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I never said that, quote it so I can see what the world you are talking about. Why would they make that area different, it makes no sense and I didn't say it.

The picture that Pops posted looked to me like the cut was higher than it actually was, and I knew the cut had to be at least as far down as the 57 trim line, because the dip goes that far. I was also surprised when I measured and the 12 inches covered the 57 trim line, so it is all a moot point.

There is nothing wrong with someone with less than perfect welding abilities doing it under the trim. If he is over his head, then he shouldn't be attempting such a job at all.
THE SHAPE OF THE 2DR HT DIP AREA IS THE SAME FOR ALL THREE YEARS
Here is your quote from post 11; "Its a 57, so the cut line will be different."
That will absolutely confuse someone that is not experienced with these cars and lead them to think the metal is different.

"Its a 57, so the cut line will be different."
That is ONLY if you are trying to hide crappy work, No other reason.

As far as someone in over their head I already said that in my post 14; "If someone is not capable of doing something of this size properly they shouldn't attempt it, That is how restorable cars get turned onto parts cars."

Your statement; "THE SHAPE OF THE 2DR HT DIP AREA IS THE SAME FOR ALL THREE YEARS"
You finally figured out what I have been trying to tell you for 2 days.
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Absolutely not, The belt line & B pillar is the same on all three years for similar models. Sedan to sedan and hardtop to hardtop etc, The cut for installing a hardtop quarter on a 2dr sedan will be the same no matter the year.
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The difference is the 57 quarter inserts, if it is a Bel Air. That will hide a lot of sins.
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If you know how to properly weld it up & finish it there are no sins to hide and even so the cut remains the same since the metal shape is the same as I said before. If someone is not capable of doing something of this size properly they shouldn't attempt it, That is how restorable cars get turned onto parts cars.
IS THIS REALLY WHAT STARTED ALL THIS

Sorry POPS, you don't have to close this, I'm through.
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