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Old 08-12-2017, 08:55 AM   #1
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My 3 month old Optima Red Top went dead. I had left the lights on. It would not charge up after 2 days so I took it back. The guy tells me that any battery that is totally discharged will never come back but he "gives" me a new battery.
Installed that one and it still won't charge enough to turn over the engine in my 57. ????. It shows 12V on the gauge. Lights and everything else come on. It started and ran perfectly before all this. Help.
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A red top Optima shouldn't ever be allowed to discharge that much. It's not designed to be able to handle that. It's only designed to start the car and be charged immediately back to full. A yellow top Optima is a deep cycle battery and can go to a severely discharged state during use. However, it must be charged back to full before any length of storage time or it's life will be decreased.
A yellow top is the better investment to make because of it's deep cycle ability.

As far as why your car doesn't start now, it's too hard to say. You could have gotten a defective replacement battery or you've got some connection issues on your car. Start eliminating the possibilities. First, get a load test done on that new battery.
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Installed that one and it still won't charge enough to turn over the engine in my 57. ????. It shows 12V on the gauge. Lights and everything else come on. It started and ran perfectly before all this. Help.
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Do the lights go out completely when you try to start it? If so, you may have a bad connection on one of the battery cables. Clean the inside of the battery post terminals and check the ground cabler to the engine.
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This is just info on Optima, Odessy and other gel, saturated type batteries.
The technology keeps changing and the prices go up.

Just as important is the technology of the charger, I'm sold on not having the engine compartment damaged by out gassing or over charged lead acid batts.
So in addition to a few hundred bucks for a battery, you'll need to spend more for the manufacturers compatible charger. So far I've been able to recover most deeply discharged gels by paralleling a lead acid during charge.
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I have a trickle charger hooked up on a cheap battery, still has enough power to kick over the engine and start the car.
I start mine on a regular basis making sure that there`s enough fuel in the bowl so the battery isn't working to hard.
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Am waiting for a new "yellow top" to come in. The problem is...the the length and width of the yellow top is larger than the expensive base plate that I have.
I also don't want to buy a $200 optima charging unit that I hear is needed,
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Am waiting for a new "yellow top" to come in. The problem is...the the length and width of the yellow top is larger than the expensive base plate that I have.
I also don't want to buy a $200 optima charging unit that I hear is needed,
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You don't need the charger. A Battery Tender is a good thing to have however. I rarely need it though. I do have battery disconnect switch and always switch it off if the car is going to sit for more than a day.

I have an expensive aluminum base plate too.
I had a Red Top for my first battery and it lasted exactly 6 years. However when it did give up earlier this year, I went with a Yellow Top. The battery case is the dentical size and fits my aluminum base just the same.
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Home Depot sells a $60 15 amp battery charger that handles flooded, gel, and AGM batteries. It can recover sulphated batteries and limits charging voltage to 15 volts, essential for AGMs like Optima. I really like mine. It even shows how charged a battery is, say 60% and so forth, in case you are impatient.

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Home Depot sells a $60 15 amp battery charger that handles flooded, gel, and AGM batteries. It can recover sulphated batteries and limits charging voltage to 15 volts, essential for AGMs like Optima.

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The fix- I traded in my new Red Top for a Yellow top Optima and paid the difference. Bought the Home Depot Charger. Turn key to start- No engine turn over. So I got my test light and went checking. Guess what?- My battery disconnect switch in the trunk was turned to disconnect. 57 started immediately.
What to learn here besides being a dumb ass?
I assumed that since I left on my headlight switch and ran the battery dead that it was the problem. Somewhere in the process I flipped the disconnect switch and forgot I did.
Oh well - I got a better battery and a better charger.
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