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Old 05-03-2019, 04:21 PM   #11
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Isn't that ridiculous?? You buy a brand new sheet metal replacement part and it doesn't fit properly. You have to alter it somehow. Where in the hell is quality control?? Don't these people stamp out one part and see if it meets the proper dimensions?? Maybe a trial fit?? Make some adjustments before stamping out a couple hundred. I know we should be happy in that we can get a replacement part, but you have to stamp something out anyway, get it right the first time. How much more effort can it take?? This altering might be fine on metal parts, but what about chrome pieces and trim?? You're not going to cut a chrome grill bar that is too long or add to it if too short. Do it once. Do it right. Geez, Carmine.
Rant all you want. It will not change the fact that they don't have the original mold/stamping dies. They build these with different ways then the OEM ones were. They don't offer an exact replacement part. If they did, we could not afford the parts we have.

Bottom line. They are never going to be exact, to expect that is just folly on our part.

I know of one part that was available some years ago. Reproduced to perfection. The tool and die work was 175K for a left and right part. Add in the material costs and the labor to run the parts, and before even one pair could be sold the cost would be 250K. Not many companies will step up to that level. The company that made them, still owns all the tool and die work, but because they make parts for the big 3 US auto makers, they are getting paid too much by those clients to even sniff making another run of these needed parts.

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Old 05-03-2019, 05:56 PM   #12
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If I get the point of the fin aligned with the other point, moulding looking half way decent on both points, the rear window opening metal curvature doesnt align, and the door jam is 1/4 + to far forward, door wouldn't close if I left it like that. So I left the old door jam on car, and cut new quarter jam off and will fit to old.
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I find the words "exact fit" or "direct replacement" etc are suggestions when it comes to sheet metal. I find almost all sheet metal needs some form of trimming, tweaking, and alcohol. Just keep at it and it'll happen. It's like the saying goes.... How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.

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Rant all you want. It will not change the fact that they don't have the original mold/stamping dies. They build these with different ways then the OEM ones were. They don't offer an exact replacement part. If they did, we could not afford the parts we have.

Bottom line. They are never going to be exact, to expect that is just folly on our part.

I know of one part that was available some years ago. Reproduced to perfection. The tool and die work was 175K for a left and right part. Add in the material costs and the labor to run the parts, and before even one pair could be sold the cost would be 250K. Not many companies will step up to that level. The company that made them, still owns all the tool and die work, but because they make parts for the big 3 US auto makers, they are getting paid too much by those clients to even sniff making another run of these needed parts.

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My point being, I understand they may not have the original dies or molds for reproducing parts. Therefore, they have to start someplace, so why not do it correctly. They just don't imagine what a part looks like and then stamp
it out. I'm sure they have measurements, diagrams, schematics, maybe even an original, something to go by. I'm sure it's expensive to reproduce some parts, but you're making the monetary investment regardless, so do it right. All it requires is a little more time, Carmine.
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You must also understand their culture, make anything cheaper than we could make it in the usa, and we will buy just about anything if we believe it is as good and CHEAPER......Sad but true

I have a very good friend that reproduces parts. His largest problem is keeping them focused on making it to his specks......he is constantly having to check and recheck his samples and then make parts runs. The next time he orders a batch he has to check to make sure they are exact....and often they try to slide some stuff by him.

He even has found his tooling being offered to other vendors behind his back. This is when he has paid for all the investment, and has a contract that he owns the rights.

It's the culture of that part of the world, and we don't get it......

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OK. Just unfortunate that things have to be that way I guess, Carmine.
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When I first started messing with my car in 77, it was junk yard parts, nos or homemade. They were the only choices. Some parts were unobtainum at any price and there was no such thing as the internet. Reproduction parts, a few, tail light and turn signal lenses, heater control valve, turn signal bar for a 57 (and the early reproduction of that part was really thick and really heavy). Replacement floorboard panels, yea right. Try old license plates, stop signs, galvanized sheet from heaven knows where, fiberglass and bondo. I had the panel right in front of the rear wheel go bad on my 57 and so when I had it painted in 78, the body guy made a patch panel by hand. It lasted a couple of years and it rusted out. I remember being ecstatic when I learned that there was a patch panel. Not perfect and required a bit of messing with but holy cow way better then the home made cobbling that was required up to that point.

So I am happy just to have access to parts that are at least close and will work the part to the best of my ability (and I am not all that able, lol) and be happy with whatever result I end up with. There will come a time when even this supply will dry up so its good we still have access to these parts no matter how imperfect they are. My thoughts anyhow.
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Who besides me expects perfection from work you perform or work you pay for? I'm talking about hanging sheet metal more or less. It's either right or close, close isn't right. It can sometimes be debilitating to fit a panel only to realize something might have moved. Now you must figure out what moved or if it is the poorly made aftermarket panel. Progress stops while you scratch your head and wring your hands wondering what your next move is. I don't have OCD at least I don't think I do. I just want the door/trunk gaps to be factory or better since each panel will be hand fitted. Does anyone else have this problem?
I want to thank everyone for all your advice and support. I never meant this to be an indictment of aftermarket panels (we all know they suck). What I was trying to convey was inability to solve this particular ill fitting panel, and how it stops you from advancing. It fits good on one end but not in the middle and I've not gotten to the other end yet. After retirement I took a collision course at Penn Tech in Williamsport PA. I understand measuring, pulling a panel back into alignment before anything can be added. I was just wondering if anyone else felt overwhelmed when in this situation.
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When working with replacement panels, you got to learn how to "move" or "adjust" the metal.
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Yep! Remember the old adage on after-market parts: AFTER you buy it, you MARK IT so you can cut it and make it fit. Sometimes, drastic measures and a BFH are the only solutions. Chuck
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