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Old 03-02-2017, 06:52 PM   #1
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my buddy had an air ride setup sitting in his garage from an old build he never finished. He was looking for a motor setup, I just so happen to have the setup he wanted to we did some trading... Now I am trying to figure out what is going to be the best way to set this up. I know this is an older version of your system but I cannot afford a new setup at the moment so I figure I'll start here and upgrade later. I am sure you will have more questions than i will have answers as I am just starting this build but here it goes...

Question A) I know they're not "necessary" but what will I gain by upgrading to a set of tublar A arm (maybe strong arms) over the stock a arms?

B) I am running a heavily tubbed (31x21.5x15 Micket T tires) three link setup that has been back halved to fix the previous owners screw ups... What/where will be the best way to mount the rear bags?

C) I know I am going to have to add some kind of rear centering device on the rear axle, I was leaning to a Watts Link since I was already fabbing most of it anyways. Would this still be a good idea with this setup?

The overall goal of this car is good ride quality and great handling. My wife loves to autocross, we aren't going to full on competitive car but would still enjoy cutting a few corners here and there and want it to handle appropriately. This will primarily be a "cruiser" we are both racers so I envision a cruiser as more of a pro touring car with a good ride. Unfortunately i don't have a good comparison for you to imagine the ride quality, everything I drive is either a jacked up pickup or a race car so... The front of the car currently has 2" drop spindles (or so I am told), Ill probably go see if I can find some markings and labels to see exactly what they are this weekend...
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Alright,
my buddy had an air ride setup sitting in his garage from an old build he never finished. He was looking for a motor setup, I just so happen to have the setup he wanted to we did some trading... Now I am trying to figure out what is going to be the best way to set this up. I know this is an older version of your system but I cannot afford a new setup at the moment so I figure I'll start here and upgrade later. I am sure you will have more questions than i will have answers as I am just starting this build but here it goes...

Question A) I know they're not "necessary" but what will I gain by upgrading to a set of tublar A arm (maybe strong arms) over the stock a arms?

B) I am running a heavily tubbed (31x21.5x15 Micket T tires) three link setup that has been back halved to fix the previous owners screw ups... What/where will be the best way to mount the rear bags?

C) I know I am going to have to add some kind of rear centering device on the rear axle, I was leaning to a Watts Link since I was already fabbing most of it anyways. Would this still be a good idea with this setup?

The overall goal of this car is good ride quality and great handling. My wife loves to autocross, we aren't going to full on competitive car but would still enjoy cutting a few corners here and there and want it to handle appropriately. This will primarily be a "cruiser" we are both racers so I envision a cruiser as more of a pro touring car with a good ride. Unfortunately i don't have a good comparison for you to imagine the ride quality, everything I drive is either a jacked up pickup or a race car so... The front of the car currently has 2" drop spindles (or so I am told), Ill probably go see if I can find some markings and labels to see exactly what they are this weekend...
bigbass1307, what is it going under and what did the air suspension come out of? That will help me tell you what direction to go. Do you currently have a shock setup on the rear are working from scratch?
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bigbass1307, what is it going under and what did the air suspension come out of? That will help me tell you what direction to go. Do you currently have a shock setup on the rear are working from scratch?
Sorry for the delayed response, been super busy at work recently.
The kit was originally bought for a 65-67 GM A Body, he specifically had it on a 65 Cutlass.
As to my car, the front suspension is stock, planning to eventually upgrade to tublar a arms and possibly a rack and pinion setup. The rear is not stock at all, its a Ford 9", narrowed, triangulated 3 link setup, currently running sitting with coil overs. I was thinking about fabing up mounts for the bags and using the coil over mounts as the shock mounts but thought you might have some better ideas.

Pictures aren't the best but this should give you a decent idea of what I'm working with to start.
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Sorry for the delayed response, been super busy at work recently.
The kit was originally bought for a 65-67 GM A Body, he specifically had it on a 65 Cutlass.
As to my car, the front suspension is stock, planning to eventually upgrade to tublar a arms and possibly a rack and pinion setup. The rear is not stock at all, its a Ford 9", narrowed, triangulated 3 link setup, currently running sitting with coil overs. I was thinking about fabing up mounts for the bags and using the coil over mounts as the shock mounts but thought you might have some better ideas.

Pictures aren't the best but this should give you a decent idea of what I'm working with to start.
Can you get me an extended measurement on the ShockWave from where the bushing would go against the frame at the top to the Trunnion on the bottom? It will help me figure out which length it is. Those rear Air Springs will work great under the back if you build some mounts to hold them. You will want the Air Spring around 9" tall at ride height. You will need to incorporate a shock mount too.
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Can you get me an extended measurement on the ShockWave from where the bushing would go against the frame at the top to the Trunnion on the bottom? It will help me figure out which length it is. Those rear Air Springs will work great under the back if you build some mounts to hold them. You will want the Air Spring around 9" tall at ride height. You will need to incorporate a shock mount too.
It will be a day or so before I can get the measurements, I'm going to be busy today and its in the neighbors shop so I've got to find time with him to come over and take a look.
I was trying to figure out if I could use the mount that is on the diff already, the coil over mounts but I don't think I can. I think I will need to cut them off, mount the bags where they are currently mounted and shift the shocks inward. Should I incorporate the shock mount into the bag mount or go directly to the axle? Or could the bags be mounted on top of axle like a coil spring would be and then leave the shocks on the rear mounts?
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It will be a day or so before I can get the measurements, I'm going to be busy today and its in the neighbors shop so I've got to find time with him to come over and take a look.
I was trying to figure out if I could use the mount that is on the diff already, the coil over mounts but I don't think I can. I think I will need to cut them off, mount the bags where they are currently mounted and shift the shocks inward. Should I incorporate the shock mount into the bag mount or go directly to the axle? Or could the bags be mounted on top of axle like a coil spring would be and then leave the shocks on the rear mounts?
You would need about 9" above the axle to mount the bags, but if you have the room it would work fine. On a Pro Street conversion, we typically incorporate the shock mounts into the bag mounts when going behind the axle.
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