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Old 05-08-2020, 12:04 PM   #11
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I am going to put the car back up in the air and check the whole front end, same shop that installed the trans did front end work....Took off the crappy console someone built and was surprised and amused at how someone installed the shifter on the T56. I don't know if mickey mouse is the word to use? Not only that, the actual shifter stick bolts were not even tight, I could not figure out why it would not shift right. The shop that did it has a great rep, I cannot believe they would let work like this leave the shop lol
I've looked at this picture several times, and I have conflicting notions...I think it's a good idea that was poorly executed.

On the one hand, it appears to be a simple and practical solution to a customer request (that can easily be undone if desired) that should be totally hidden by the shifter boot or console. On the other, it was poorly executed: I would have used shorter bolts and made sure they didn't loosen up (loctite perhaps?).

I'm no fan of shoddy workmanship, but I've been around enough fabrication shops to know that they are constantly torn between achieving outstanding results and keeping costs down, and ultimately keeping the customer happy. One hour of labor vs. four. It's a never-ending struggle.
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Old 05-09-2020, 12:35 AM   #12
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I agree 100 percent, right idea with horrendous execution... Dan at Fantom Works would have a meltdown if one of host guys made this
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Old 05-11-2020, 02:41 AM   #13
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There's a new Borgeson 600 box for sale in the classifieds section on this website...it's a good deal.

I'd opt for that over the 500 box (better ratio on the 600 box). I wouldn't even consider a 605. And with a BBC, I think I'd skip the complication of a R&P.

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Any idea what box this might be? I will get some better pics
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Looks like you have a 500 or 600 box already (I'm not familiar enough with the appearance of a 600 to tell from your pic). If there is too much movement internally, you can adjust as already mentioned - when doing it make sure the wheels are in the straight ahead position, then screw the adjusting nut in just until it meets resistance, and back off ever so slightly. If what you've referred to as a loose feeling in your steering and the box itself is in good condition, you are probably dealing with either wear issues (tie rod ends, ball joints, drag link) or alignment. With power steering additional caster is recommended for proper road feel - up to 4-5 degrees. If your front end is set up to original specs you may be dealing with 0-1 degree, and with wider than stock tires it will feel like the car is going where it wants to go instead of where you want it to go. Getting that additional caster dialed in can be a whole other deal, usually requiring different upper control arms. As to R&P - opinions differ...I don't feel they're worth the extra headache and expense. A properly outfitted and aligned front suspension (upgraded wear items, power box, disc brakes, sway bar) will provide a very nice ride.
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Main difference in identifying a CPP box vs. a Borgeson box is the CPP box has a cast steel top cover, and a Borgeson box has a cast aluminum top cover. From the photo it looks like a CPP500 box with a cast steel top cover. The other way to tell which one you have is a CPP box has a splined input shaft, where a Borgeson box has a double D input shaft. Each has a corresponding rag joint, and that's the main difference in installing one vs. the other.

On the play in the steering, check the idler arm, tie rod ends, and the center link to pitman arm connection before even thinking about adjusting the box. Neither box should ever need adjusting unless someone has screwed with it and done it wrong.
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Main difference in identifying a CPP box vs. a Borgeson box is the CPP box has a cast steel top cover, and a Borgeson box has a cast aluminum top cover. From the photo it looks like a CPP500 box with a cast steel top cover. The other way to tell which one you have is a CPP box has a splined input shaft, where a Borgeson box has a double D input shaft. Each has a corresponding rag joint, and that's the main difference in installing one vs. the other.

On the play in the steering, check the idler arm, tie rod ends, and the center link to pitman arm connection before even thinking about adjusting the box. Neither box should ever need adjusting unless someone has screwed with it and done it wrong.
Rick you can get the 500 box with a aluminum cover also I did I think it was a option don't know why i did doesn't make it work any better & you sure can't see it unless your looking I would say he's got something loose or like stated above not enough caster to me mine feels very much like a modern vehicle as far as steering goes other that not quite as much self centering

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The aluminum cover for a 500 box is actually a "cap" that goes over the actual cover - it's for looks only. It's identified by square corners and it's shiny/polished. to install you remove the 4 bolts slip the cover on and replace the bolts. The box in the photo doesn't have one.
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Some things I found when I lowered it....

Keep in mind the previous owner got charged for 'all new front end' from the shop that did other shoddy work.. I saw the invoice but of course very vague on stuff

the 'new' ball joints were re used ball joints with new boots...who does that??

Tie rods were old but solid

Put it in the air again yesterday and its very clear where to start...

The bushing on the idler arm side is crushed/frayed/coming out if you will

The other side of the center link is just as bad

Pretty sure I will start there, and leave the box alone for now as last suggested
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Some things I found when I lowered it....

Keep in mind the previous owner got charged for 'all new front end' from the shop that did other shoddy work.. I saw the invoice but of course very vague on stuff

the 'new' ball joints were re used ball joints with new boots...who does that??

Tie rods were old but solid

Id be looking at all your steering components before the box it self.
Good luck.

Put it in the air again yesterday and its very clear where to start...

The bushing on the idler arm side is crushed/frayed/coming out if you will

The other side of the center link is just as bad

Pretty sure I will start there, and leave the box alone for now as last suggested
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