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Old 06-12-2017, 05:17 PM   #1
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Default Best power steering option for radical custom?

So among other things we are installing a 4 link, narrowed rear end, shock waves on front/back with tubular arms , disc up front and back. Car has 4 speed manual , 350 sbc, with no power steering. This car is going to sit as low as is mechanically possible. Full frame off build. Is rack and pinion the obvious choice? I am seeing some do not like R/P and some like a power steering box. Can you guys give me some solid input to help make the right decision? Thanks

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I think it comes down to what will fit with the least amount of difficulty. My build is similar to yours. Except I went big block, moved the engine forward and went with side mounts... that right there, now effects header and steering and clutch linkages. For what I did, the r and p was a direct fit, I went with the kit from ecklers.... ididit column, big 2" headers... all the pieces fit (sort of). I did have to massage the rack bracket.

But where you are sticking with the 350, (stock steering?) .... you can probably go with a steering box... many have used them and are quote happy with them. They work well too.

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Here's a past thread on R&P:

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An additional expense that you will need with most R&Ps is a pair of short steering arms. Unisteer and I think CCI have them but check to see if they are included in the kit. They are not cheap so it will make a big difference in total price. The other thing about R&P is that it's not always easy to route the steering shaft past the exhaust. A setup that has a firm recommendation on the pieces needed is value added. To me, the CPP500 steering box is cheaper and a lot less trouble, and gives you the same end results.
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Like a lot of people I jumped the gun and purchased the power steering box and pitman arm for CCP (Is is CCP or CPP) I can't remember. Anyway, before I installed the parts, I stopped into see the parts and restoration folks in Doylestown Pa. This is what the assemblers (the guys who build the TriFives) in the garage told me. They said that they have installed every type of power steering that is on the market. That's all they do for a living is build these cars and repair them. So they told that there is one system out there that is heads above the rest and the name is CONCEPT ONE. They described to me in great detail how this new custom made box works. First it is custom made for the TriFive cars and it is pattered after the present day boxes of the new cars on the market place.

So, I quickly placed an ad and sold my CPP box and pitman arm (Good Thing) and purchased the Concept One steering box. First, I bolted it in the stock 55 location and joined the steering column through a rag joint. Next, I connected the pressure and return lines and filled it with fluid. Lastly, hooked-up the pitman arm....I was the easiest modification that I made to the car. It was some time before I drove the car because I was still detailing the motor.

Then came the day for my first test drive. It was a busy time in my head after three years of restoring this car. I was listening to the motor and then the new 5 speed transmission, concentrating on everything I could take in. A couple of miles down the road it finally dawned on me that I had not given any attention to the steering. So, what the?? Then, it came to me that my 55 Chevy was handling much like our new cars. So, I started testing it on curves, allowing the steering wheel to run free with no hands back to center. It tracked remarkably well. I also drove in on to some heavily slanted roads and checked for drift, none. Next, I ran the car up to 70mph to try to get a feel for it and it tracked beautifully.

Two years later some health issues forced me to sell the car. I sold it to a middle aged couple and delivered it. I had already been paid and cashed the check. So, this was a formality. When I backed the car off the trailer, the guy says to me: "There is one more thing". So, I asked him what could that be and he says: "My wife needs to drive it". Well, I guess that's OK. Then, I started factoring everything together. Lets see, 400 plus HP, 5 speed trans and she is 95 pounds with a tremor and 4 foot something.

So, I kind of stepped back and thought about it. I then said: "Well let me drive around to warm it up and then she can give it a try." So, we got in the car and I fired it up and took off. A few minutes later, I took a deep breath and said: "OK, lets do it." So I pulled the seat all the way forward, put the brake on, and turned the motor off. We changed seats and while I held my breath she seat belted-up and started the car with no problem.

She then found first gear and let the brake off . After checking for traffic, she let the clutch out and immediately the front bench seat went flying backward, as I had failed to lock the seat in place. Well, when that happened, her feet failed to reach the pedals and the car went surging down the street in first gear. So, I reached over and turned the key off. I explained to her what had happened and we finally got the seat locked in place and she was ready to begin again.

This time the seat stayed in place and she took off , She quickly grabbed second, third and now we at doing about 50 mph. She then puts on her right turn signal, brakes, and while in the middle of this turn she smoothly downshifts from 3rd to 2nd gear...At that time, she pours on the coals to it and goes right on. I finally decided I could let my breath out that I had been holding and grab some fresh oxygen. This little women 4' 11', 95 pounds, with a tremor could drive my car. WOW!

My point to all this is: When the lady alighted from the car and her husband, who had been waiting, asked her this: "How was it?" She did not say one thing about the motor, the color, or how the car looked. She said: "The car steered and handled like a dream." Then I knew I had made the correct decision getting rid of the first box I bought and going with the box from Concept One.
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Quite a story Gary....But, a great read
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Dave did you notice a couple of familar things in my form, some guy taught me that, remember?

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