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So for the last 6 years or so my youngest son has been my right hand man in getting my high school 57 sedan back on the road. The car had been sitting in my garage for well over a decade when we started with repairs at the end of 2011. It was in bad structural shape, rust had really taken its toll as the car was no longer safe to drive, and everything needed attention repair wise. Well, we got it done and took it to the 2015 nationals. He was 19 at the time and was my quiet child, really did not speak all that much, lol. But when he got there, quite a few people began asking him questions about the car, and he had the answers and was talking to people. I had to send my wife photos, lol. He ended up with the same car hobby sickness we all have, lol.

At the 2016 nationals he mentioned to me that he might like to get a 57 of his own to build. I started looking around but what would be affordable and in his price range was not all that good condition wise.

Like me, one of my oldest and best friends still had his original high school 57 4 door sedan although it was a shell. In 2016, he decided that he had had enough of me telling him all about the nationals and toward the end of 2016 he told me he wanted to resurrect the sedan and go to the nationals with me. When we looked at the car he realized that it really was just a shell and there would not be enough time for the 2017 nationals. So he goes out a buys a running wagon, which we then install a 383 and four speed and a new rear, fix a bunch of wiring and suspension issues and he and his daughter follow me to Kentucky. We are two kids in a candy shop, trip to Nashville, car show, swap meet and the fun runs. Oh my heaven the fun runs. So I get back to where were are parked after making a fun run at this years nationals, and there is my friend and my son deep in conversation. As I approached, I was informed that my son had just purchased my friends 4 door sedan. So my 22 year old son is now going to build himself a low buck 57, lol.

I am in the process of having my one car garage extended three feet or so upward so I can get a lift in to keep both cars at home. So the sedan is being stored by my friend (after he had the body blasted and primed as a gift).

So we began digging out all kinds of old parts to use including a posi to rebuild. I explained the various differences between the early and late posi units, walked him through the rebuild and showed him where to find all of the specifications to get it back together. I wont lie, it was pretty fun and he is a good student. So he and I are off to a new trifive adventure!

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He is insisting on it, lol. Of course he has some incentive, the Saginaw 4 speed that is currently in my 57 goes to him for his car. A nice low dollar transmission to get him started. Served me very well for the past three years and not a moments trouble.

I agree on the photo, I snuck that one while he was working. He would not let me do any part of it, I was only allowed to instruct him, hand him parts, and hold the posi when we tightened it up.

Just as an aside, even though I had my old tools (cut axle ends) to align the internal splines of the side gears, he did not have one of them in far enough and one side is not aligned. So I showed him why that was so important (inability to get the axle in) so we have to loosen it all up and realign it. It was a great teaching moment. As I said to him, how many twenty somethings did he think knew how to service a 57-64 Chevy Dana posi unit, not many I would guess, lol.
 

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I was fortunate to first meet Patrick and you at the 2015 Nationals and then again in 2016 and 2017. He is one cool kid (young man) and I look forward to seeing y'all again this year. I can see a fun run grudge race in the future. Better not teach him all your secrets (old man)!
 

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So funny you say that Dennis. He said the same thing. So he wants a 6 motor in his car but we are going to do a second generation 292 chevy six which will be much more powerful then my old school 261. I have a pile of parts, and pieces, cams and heads, intake and carbs for one of those motors. Was always going to be a some day project for me. Looks like some day has arrived, lol. So all of the spare stuff that I could just not bring myself to get rid of will head to his car. Can't think of a better way to use that stuff up.
 

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So funny you say that Dennis. He said the same thing. So he wants a 6 motor in his car but we are going to do a second generation 292 chevy six which will be much more powerful then my old school 261. I have a pile of parts, and pieces, cams and heads, intake and carbs for one of those motors. Was always going to be a some day project for me. Looks like some day has arrived, lol. So all of the spare stuff that I could just not bring myself to get rid of will head to his car. Can't think of a better way to use that stuff up.
Please excuse my ignorance on this. I'm a bigger and more bigger V8 guy.

I'm not familiar with the "second generation 292". What were the differences? I've always heard that those 292's could be forced to run pretty good, but the only time I had one was when I put one in a work van to replace a busted 250. I remember that it did pull a bit harder.
 

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good read and memories you will have will be priceless for the both of you. thanks for sharing. :anim_25:
 

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Yep, you and I have it all, Nothing like it! My wife and I managed to raise a couple of nice kids. The fact that the youngest hangs with dad is just icing on the cake.

Nad427, the 235/261 Chevy six is based on a design that goes back to the 1920s. By the early 1960s the design was pretty obsolete. The second generation motors, 194, 230, 250 and 292 Chevy six motors borrowed quite a bit from the small block Chevy design, valves, springs, rockers lifters, oiling system, all kinds of stuff and so while not a direct swap from a v8, had lots of engineering theory. So the heads flow way better, uses similar design rods (eliminating the funky clamp arrangement on the small end of a 235 rod). The last 235 that I am aware of that was installed in a Chevy was a 63 truck with 4x4. The 230s are small but can rev up. The 250s are the work horse and can be built up to run pretty fast. The 292 is the big boy and can be built to really run. I have all kinds of cool stuff for that motor including a lump port head with big valves, crower cams, Clifford 2x4 intake, all kinds of stuff. Should be a fun project for Patrick and I.

On the other hand, my car will remain old school and will likely always have a 235 or 261 motor.

I will post some more photos when I get the car here. He is excited, dad is excited for him.
 

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CANT WAIT to see the build Mike!!!!

Glad to see the apple did not fall too far from the tree :)

This is one of the reason I drag Logan too car shows and out in the garage with me whenever I can :sign0020:
 

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Great story Dragsix!! :) and I think it's also great that your son is going to follow in your footsteps and build a 4-dr sedan (which can morph into a great family car for him as he builds his own family later!)...
 

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You know its funny you say that. As I and my pals all get older and fatter, my two door sedan becomes less and less passenger friendly and I am less inclined to pack the car to the hilt in the back seat these days. With a four door car, much easier so I agree. Besides, its a very good entry level vintage car for someone his age. I have always been on a budget with my car, really from day one of my ownership (1977) so he has been long exposed to the mentality that you build it to the best of your ability and within the financial means you can afford, and if you really like the hobby, you will not worry about whether your car is perfect or not. Of course, mine isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, lol, so I am leading by example, lol.

So the most recent learning experience for him has been selling some of the extra stuff we have to fund things that he will need, and swapping for some things he may need. I am pretty sure between my friend Bob and I we have most if not all of the major pieces he will need but as you know, that is just part of the story which Patrick is now learning. Its a great experience for both of us.

Rick, I could not agree more! There are quite a few of us dragging our kids around to these shows. I am missing plenty here but there is Logan, Patrick, Alan's boy Alex, gear head jake, others. Heck, Chris Sondles was a kid who got dragged all over to the trifive shows by his parents, lol.
 

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Boy you can say that again Frank. Nine weekends in a row with rain at some point. Whew. This weekend is supposed to rain again. Well, the tomatoes are growing well anyhow.
 

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Keep My fingers crossed

Heading to the 10th annual Mid Atlantic Nostalgia Drags and Car Show this weekend at Cecil County Drag-Way Rising Sun Maryland. All Nostalgia East Coast Gassers, and Super Stocks, Altereds all the good old stuff . 14 Funny Car Showdown with Bruce Larson and Bunny Burkett . 8am to 6pm Hopefully get it in before the Thunder Storms hit or is that Thunder from the Track.
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Nad427, the 235/261 Chevy six is based on a design that goes back to the 1920s. By the early 1960s the design was pretty obsolete. The second generation motors, 194, 230, 250 and 292 Chevy six motors borrowed quite a bit from the small block Chevy design, valves, springs, rockers lifters, oiling system, all kinds of stuff and so while not a direct swap from a v8, had lots of engineering theory. So the heads flow way better, uses similar design rods (eliminating the funky clamp arrangement on the small end of a 235 rod). The last 235 that I am aware of that was installed in a Chevy was a 63 truck with 4x4. The 230s are small but can rev up. The 250s are the work horse and can be built up to run pretty fast. The 292 is the big boy and can be built to really run. I have all kinds of cool stuff for that motor including a lump port head with big valves, crower cams, Clifford 2x4 intake, all kinds of stuff. Should be a fun project for Patrick and I.

On the other hand, my car will remain old school and will likely always have a 235 or 261 motor.
I misunderstood your first statement about it. I thought you were saying that there was a first and second gen 292. My fault.

Wasn't there a 302 six also, maybe GMC? And if so was it a bored 292, or was it an entirely different motor?

In the back of my head I'm thinking you should build a clandestine motor in secret. Maybe a blown (supercharged) 292 to install just before some upcoming nationals. That way the Pop could teach even more lessons about stuff when the challenge time comes. You already have the M22 to back it up. lol

 
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