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Doesnt this pertain to newer vechiles? 2007 up or something like that ??? And suppose to hav its own seperate tanks and location or something like that ?? Senior MomentOn the DACC (Dallas Area Classic Chevys) web site in their chat area, tech area I read an interesting story about the ethanol content % going tp 15% that was interesting
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Would you post a link to the story? ThanksOn the DACC (Dallas Area Classic Chevys) web site in their chat area, tech area I read an interesting story about the ethanol content % going tp 15% that was interesting
I saw or heard a short news story this week on a 85% gas/15% ethanol mix. Supposedly the EPA was "testing" it, and yes 2007-up vehicles were mentioned.
I assume those might be flex fuel vehicles only, but maybe not. It's my understanding that flex fuel vehicles can run on anything from 0 to 85%.
I wonder who if anyone benefits?
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I assume those might be flex fuel vehicles only, but maybe not. It's my understanding that flex fuel vehicles can run on anything from 0 to 85%.
I wonder who if anyone benefits?
I know no other details.
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How do you say CORN growers?
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We raise lots of corn up here and were one of the first states to sell 10% ethanol back in 1979... Most of our gas stations offer the choice of regular un-leaded and un-leaded 10% ethanol... My modern cars run just fine on it but I don't use it in my 56... Choice is good... Later, Dave
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If they bump the percentage to 15 that would make it E-85. Not all cars can run that stuff because of materials used in fuel system ( orings and such)not compatible with the alchol.On the DACC (Dallas Area Classic Chevys) web site in their chat area, tech area I read an interesting story about the ethanol content % going tp 15% that was interesting
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Well, the EPA thinks we should all HAVE TO use a minimum of E15 mix. Senator Inhofe, OK, is working on a bill that allows states to opt out of this mandate. And it is a mandate, more govt crap telling us what's good for us. Not something voted on by Congress but an agency doing what they please because they can.
Now I've read plenty of explanations, scientific and opinion, that say it's ok using ethanol and I'm not debating that.
However, I will NOT use it in lawnmowers, small engines, older boat motors, etc. I go out of my way and pay more for 100% gas. I do this because I saw with my own eyes what an ethanol blend did to a couple older 2 stroke outboards as shown by my boat mechanic. Maybe newer engines can handle it ok, but what are you going to do if 100% gas becomes extinct.
Just venting, sorry
Well, the EPA thinks we should all HAVE TO use a minimum of E15 mix. Senator Inhofe, OK, is working on a bill that allows states to opt out of this mandate. And it is a mandate, more govt crap telling us what's good for us. Not something voted on by Congress but an agency doing what they please because they can.
Now I've read plenty of explanations, scientific and opinion, that say it's ok using ethanol and I'm not debating that.
However, I will NOT use it in lawnmowers, small engines, older boat motors, etc. I go out of my way and pay more for 100% gas. I do this because I saw with my own eyes what an ethanol blend did to a couple older 2 stroke outboards as shown by my boat mechanic. Maybe newer engines can handle it ok, but what are you going to do if 100% gas becomes extinct.
Just venting, sorry
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I hear ya Rick. Surprised that you don't have the 100% option in Texas. Still several stations around here selling 100% and they're pretty popular. Mike
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Personally I'm glad to see us pushing more toward domestic fuels, like ethanol. Not only does it benefit the corn farmers, it benefits the country because we use less foreign oil and aren't giving our money to those who want to kill us.
You can argue that etanol is inefficient all you want, but like any other industry, more demand produces more efficiencies with better processes.
I don't know why everyone is so paranoid of ethanol. We've been using 10% ethanol in Colorado for decades now. Oxygenated fuel is mandatory after October 1 every year by law, and now that MTBE is gone all that's left is ethanol.
Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline. We have several stations in the area that sell E85. It's not everywhere, but it seems to be more available with more flex-fuel cars on the road. Not sure about 2-stroke engines, but it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter if you mixed the right amount of oil with it. I think with the right fuel tank and lines, it shouldn't matter much in our cars.
You can argue that etanol is inefficient all you want, but like any other industry, more demand produces more efficiencies with better processes.
I don't know why everyone is so paranoid of ethanol. We've been using 10% ethanol in Colorado for decades now. Oxygenated fuel is mandatory after October 1 every year by law, and now that MTBE is gone all that's left is ethanol.
Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline. We have several stations in the area that sell E85. It's not everywhere, but it seems to be more available with more flex-fuel cars on the road. Not sure about 2-stroke engines, but it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter if you mixed the right amount of oil with it. I think with the right fuel tank and lines, it shouldn't matter much in our cars.
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ChevynutPersonally I'm glad to see us pushing more toward domestic fuels, like ethanol. Not only does it benefit the corn farmers, it benefits the country because we use less foreign oil and aren't giving our money to those who want to kill us.
You can argue that etanol is inefficient all you want, but like any other industry, more demand produces more efficiencies with better processes.
I don't know why everyone is so paranoid of ethanol. We've been using 10% ethanol in Colorado for decades now. Oxygenated fuel is mandatory after October 1 every year by law, and now that MTBE is gone all that's left is ethanol.
Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline. We have several stations in the area that sell E85. It's not everywhere, but it seems to be more available with more flex-fuel cars on the road. Not sure about 2-stroke engines, but it would seem to me that it wouldn't matter if you mixed the right amount of oil with it. I think with the right fuel tank and lines, it shouldn't matter much in our cars.
I'm open-minded and I try to listen. Totally agree with less foreign oil and all. I'm a war vet and I certainly have a very low opinion of people trying to kill us. Nothing against corn growers unless it raises prices down the line and subsidies are involved. I can agree that the main problem with the older outboards may be partially the owners fault for perhaps letting it settle longer than you should. That could just be a matter of ignorance of the product and people not taking the time to learn about side-effects. Personally I have a newer outboard designed for ethanol mix. I am surprised by the preponderance of ethanol around the country because 100% is plentiful here--but from what I'm seeing, for how long-who knows?
Mike
I think Chevynut hit on the reason I don't have a choice. Oxygenated fuel has been mandated year round for my area for many years. When MTBE went away, ethanol was the only choice.
I don't have any technical reason to not want or use ethanol, except maybe for the light duty engines that aren't made for it. That would also include some older carb'd engines where some of the fuel lines and other components aren't compatible. But we're mostly over that now.
I do have economic reasons for not wanting anything mandated. Let the marketplace decide what to buy, and let the marketplace decide what alternatives to invest in. When ethanol gets cheaper relative to petroleum fuel, well then go for it.
If some brilliant minds could figure out a better way to transport ethanol (or an ethanol equivalent) and blend it with petroleum fuel, then we'll really have something to use and implement without mandates or regulation. Right now ethanol is shipped by rail or truck, no pipelines. And it's blended with petroleum fuel at the local distributor level, because the blend can't go in a pipeline either.
I don't have any technical reason to not want or use ethanol, except maybe for the light duty engines that aren't made for it. That would also include some older carb'd engines where some of the fuel lines and other components aren't compatible. But we're mostly over that now.
I do have economic reasons for not wanting anything mandated. Let the marketplace decide what to buy, and let the marketplace decide what alternatives to invest in. When ethanol gets cheaper relative to petroleum fuel, well then go for it.
If some brilliant minds could figure out a better way to transport ethanol (or an ethanol equivalent) and blend it with petroleum fuel, then we'll really have something to use and implement without mandates or regulation. Right now ethanol is shipped by rail or truck, no pipelines. And it's blended with petroleum fuel at the local distributor level, because the blend can't go in a pipeline either.
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I agree with that to a point, but until ethanol or some other fuel becomes mainstream, it's probably going to cost more than straight gas. Oil is relatively cheap, even today. They can manipulate the price of it easily, and will do so to control the market. It's not really a supply/demand issue there. They charge whatever the market will bear, as we saw a couple of summers ago. When there is a threat of something else emerging to replace it, they just lower the price to make it unviable economically.
Yes, transporting the stuff is a problem due to being hygroscopic (??). But I'm not sure how that's an issue in a closed pipeline. Also, gasoline is transported by trucks anyhow, only crude oil is by pipeline. Oil comes from many, many locations but ethanol only comes from a few plants.
What we really need is a breakthrough in Cellulosic Ethanol. That would leave the middle east swimming in their oil. That's the main reason I support government subsidies for ethanol, for some time anyhow. It creates a viable industry, and a GOOD reason for companies to fund research and development in cellulosic ethanol. I don't want to see government do that R&D because they'll just milk it and never get there, imo.
"Also, gasoline is transported by trucks anyhow, only crude oil is by pipeline."
That's not true, there is a gasoline pipeline, marked as such, near where I live, and they are all over the country. And I'm relatively far from the nearest refinery (probably 40-50 miles). I'm trying to remember whether it's along I-10 or actually in a neighborhood.
I remember a gasoline pipeline being damaged by somebody with a backhoe and set on fire in Dallas a year or two ago.
And I think we had the same problem in the Houston area about 15 years ago when a flood on the San Jacinto River broke a gasoline pipeline. Flood and fire at the same time!
Edit: here is an article on gasoline distribution and "special blends" http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05421.pdf
I haven't read it, though I did scroll through it to see some of the subjects addressed. There is a map of major gasoline pipelines in it too. I may stand corrected on some of my "facts".
That's not true, there is a gasoline pipeline, marked as such, near where I live, and they are all over the country. And I'm relatively far from the nearest refinery (probably 40-50 miles). I'm trying to remember whether it's along I-10 or actually in a neighborhood.
I remember a gasoline pipeline being damaged by somebody with a backhoe and set on fire in Dallas a year or two ago.
And I think we had the same problem in the Houston area about 15 years ago when a flood on the San Jacinto River broke a gasoline pipeline. Flood and fire at the same time!
Edit: here is an article on gasoline distribution and "special blends" http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d05421.pdf
I haven't read it, though I did scroll through it to see some of the subjects addressed. There is a map of major gasoline pipelines in it too. I may stand corrected on some of my "facts".
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Wow, I didn't know there were any GASOLINE pipelines.
We have gas tanker trucks driving all over the place here. But we do have natural gas pipelines.....one guy hit a 4 foot gas line with a dozer just north of me and he probably didn't know what hit him. I saw the flame from a couple miles away and it was huge.
We have gas tanker trucks driving all over the place here. But we do have natural gas pipelines.....one guy hit a 4 foot gas line with a dozer just north of me and he probably didn't know what hit him. I saw the flame from a couple miles away and it was huge.
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