Whoa! That looks awesome!!
Thanks for pointing that out, John. I don't think he put a tack strip there. Its my understanding (not stating fact here) that the rear edge of a factory '57 headliner has a strip of cardboard attached to it, and that gets tucked behind the rubber "flap" on the rear window gasket. I also have a '55 sedan rear window gasket that I can use. My interior guy can stop by my house in a couple weeks, so I'll explain the situation to him then, and see what he comes up with. Until then, thoughts, anyone?looks awesome but I am worried about the headliner wrapping around the rear window flange. I have tried that in the past and it caused huge fitment issues for the back glass and trim. it is supposed top be on a tack strip just inside the window flange. Love the color combo and textures. and its not to busy, jus clean and classy
that is correct stock 57 has the cardboard strip sewn in and hooks to the roof line on tabs just in front of the window and the edge is covered by the secondary rubber flap on the window rubber.Thanks for pointing that out, John. I don't think he put a tack strip there. Its my understanding (not stating fact here) that the rear edge of a factory '57 headliner has a strip of cardboard attached to it, and that gets tucked behind the rubber "flap" on the rear window gasket. I also have a '55 sedan rear window gasket that I can use. My interior guy can stop by my house in a couple weeks, so I'll explain the situation to him then, and see what he comes up with. Until then, thoughts, anyone?
Thanks! My buddy with the enclosed trailer had a problem with the high pressure fuel pump on his 2019 Dodge Ram diesel pickup, and he was nervous about taking a long trip with it, so, the enclosed trailer ride didn't happen. I had to go to Plan B and rent a U-Haul car trailer. Everything worked out fine, though.That interior is "spot on" and the two-tone is just the right touch. Awesome job by the stitcher.
On another note - what happened to the enclosed trailer for the ride home? Juss Curious.
Dave - since you asked after John pointed out the rear glass / headliner issue and no one has offered it up, let me suggest treating the issue like a '55. It is an elegant (but fidgety to retrofit) alternative to the '56-'57 headliner/glass transition. I did this on my last '56 2-dr Bel Air in which the PO had unknowingly used a '55 seal with a '56 headliner (I'm confident he had no clue about the differences, and whoever installed them did not either). Source the 3 pieces of trim from a '55 2-dr sedan (I don't know for sure if 4-dr trim is the same - ?) as mentioned, 2 sides/one upper. Since your headliner is already secured (I assume glued in place) you may be able to skip the worst part of this process - making/installing the tack strip...lucky you. Skip to the next paragraph. If not, you will have to make/install the appropriate tack strip for the sides and roof area - this is best done with the trim in hand and the glass seal sitting in its proper place - this allows the trim to 'sit' correctly along crevis of the rubber seal and where the headliner rests near the underside of the roof. The tack strip will live in that void. It will have to be put in sections between the screw holes and their respective 'bracketry' that also help properly place the trim in the crevis just mentioned. Since you do not yet have the glass installed you'll have much better access. How to attach the strip sections is an issue, as well as what to make them from. This choice is also determined by how you secure the strip to the metal. I had and considered the thin/narrow plastic strip commonly sold by vendors, but didn't feel it fit well in the profile and it did not stick well with the adhesive I used. It may be 'back-woodsy' but I trimmed/shaped pieces of some rubber sheet I had laying around (from an old pickup bed mat - about 5/16" thick) and glued them in with J-B Weld. I'm sure there may be other solutions, but this worked perfectly and is still holding 5 years later.Until then, thoughts, anyone?
Thank you for that write up! You are correct, the headliner is glued in place.Dave - since you asked after John pointed out the rear glass / headliner issue and no one has offered it up, let me suggest treating the issue like a '55. It is an elegant (but fidgety to retrofit) alternative to the '56-'57 headliner/glass transition. I did this on my last '56 2-dr Bel Air in which the PO had unknowingly used a '55 seal with a '56 headliner (I'm confident he had no clue about the differences, and whoever installed them did not either). Source the 3 pieces of trim from a '55 2-dr sedan (I don't know for sure if 4-dr trim is the same - ?) as mentioned, 2 sides/one upper. Since your headliner is already secured (I assume glued in place) you may be able to skip the worst part of this process - making/installing the tack strip...lucky you. Skip to the next paragraph. If not, you will have to make/install the appropriate tack strip for the sides and roof area - this is best done with the trim in hand and the glass seal sitting in its proper place - this allows the trim to 'sit' correctly along crevis of the rubber seal and where the headliner rests near the underside of the roof. The tack strip will live in that void. It will have to be put in sections between the screw holes and their respective 'bracketry' that also help properly place the trim in the crevis just mentioned. Since you do not yet have the glass installed you'll have much better access. How to attach the strip sections is an issue, as well as what to make them from. This choice is also determined by how you secure the strip to the metal. I had and considered the thin/narrow plastic strip commonly sold by vendors, but didn't feel it fit well in the profile and it did not stick well with the adhesive I used. It may be 'back-woodsy' but I trimmed/shaped pieces of some rubber sheet I had laying around (from an old pickup bed mat - about 5/16" thick) and glued them in with J-B Weld. I'm sure there may be other solutions, but this worked perfectly and is still holding 5 years later.
Drilling the holes for the trim is an issue, but made easier without the glass installed. With the rubber glass seal in place, seat the trim across the upper side. It should easily sit against the rubber seal and the underside of the roof where the headliner rests. Make sure it is centered. Using the screw holes as a guide, mark the screw holes - you may have to trim the headliner slightly in that area so the bit and the screw don't try to wrap it up. If you do this correctly there is no chance of running a hole through your beautifully painted roof - the bit and screws will be roughly parallel to the roof skin. Again, I did it with the glass in place, and although I had a sore neck for a couple of days there were no issues. You'll need to do the same for the side trim. They will mate up to the ends of each side of the center piece. You may also need to make sail panels for the area between the side trim and the quarter window trim if your upholsterer didn't already do so - they are held in place by the trim and no big deal to make...cardboard and some headliner material. Paint the trim, install the back glass, use appropriate length trim screws you may have left over from the glass molding screw kit - and you'll have a classier looking rear glass surround than what they were putting out at the factory.
the problem is the headliner is glued in the wrong place. it will cause huge issues with window and outside trim fitment. it should be glued to the roof substructure just in front of the window flange. No trifive from gm ever had the headliner glued to the window flange. I tried this once and it was a total disaster when I went to put in the window and trim.Thank you for that write up! You are correct, the headliner is glued in place.
I happen to have a 3 piece set of '55 sedan rear window trim, painted and ready to install. I already installed the '55 sedan gasket on the rear window, but I'll pull the gasket off the glass, and temporarily put it in place.
You are quite correct, John. I had assumed that it was glued to that support substructure but also brought around (unnecessarily) to the pinchweld. I should've raised that question. Hopefully so - Dave could then trim that portion away so the seal (and clips) will fully seat. If not and the headliner becomes loose, perhaps his upholstery guy could still restretch and glue it to the substructure (isn't that how some of the late 60's-70's cars had it at the top and sides of the rear glass- no tack strip, just glue?). As long as the material doesn't go beyond where it would sit if stapled where the tack strip would go he should be okay.it should be glued to the roof substructure just in front of the window flange.
hotrodg726 said:
it should be glued to the roof substructure just in front of the window flange.
Thanks, John and Madman. Its like that in the front, too. Well, the interior guy will be coming over in a couple weeks, so while he is here, he can release the headliner and re-glue it in the proper spot then. Shouldn't be too major of an issue for him.You are quite correct, John. I had assumed that it was glued to that support substructure but also brought around (unnecessarily) to the pinchweld. I should've raised that question. Hopefully so - Dave could then trim that portion away so the seal (and clips) will fully seat. If not and the headliner becomes loose, perhaps his upholstery guy could still restretch and glue it to the substructure (isn't that how some of the late 60's-70's cars had it at the top and sides of the rear glass- no tack strip, just glue?). As long as the material doesn't go beyond where it would sit if stapled where the tack strip would go he should be okay.
Agreed 👍He can release the headliner and re-glue it in the proper spot then. Shouldn't be too major of an issue for him
Check your messages.Dave, I have finally started back on my build and working on the Eldorado seat brackets. On the seat channel there is a 4" long plate on one side only of each seat. I do not see the purpose for the plate and wondered if I can eliminate it. Do you or anyone else that used these seats recall if they eliminated that plate?