I have always done just about everything in building my projects and the end result makes me feel pretty good about all the effort and skills that went into building it. Finished up a project for a guy (side work!) and he has a few folks believing he did all the work on it. I personally do not care but my question would be is there a different since of pride when you are driving around a nice car that you had nothing to do as far as the work or skills but your money and color choice are what is shown? I guess I grew up thinking hot rods and customs were ways of expressing yourself and your abilities.
Different since of pride?
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I would say burnt toast. Never liked the taste.
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I should have just kept my mouth shut:sign0020:
Thread went a different direction than I was after. My point and opinion is I think that if you build your car that there has to be a different SENCE of pride that you did the work rather than pay to have it done. Not saying that you shouldn't be proud of your car just wondered if anyone else thought the same. Again couldn't care less about someone lying about the purchased ride.
MOD you are more than welcome to delete the post!
Thread went a different direction than I was after. My point and opinion is I think that if you build your car that there has to be a different SENCE of pride that you did the work rather than pay to have it done. Not saying that you shouldn't be proud of your car just wondered if anyone else thought the same. Again couldn't care less about someone lying about the purchased ride.
MOD you are more than welcome to delete the post!
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Why would you want to delete thjs post? It's conversation with varying view points, might even learn something.
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I'm always having to explain that its TW (son in law) and Mickey Jr that do most of the work on my 55. I am the best "wrench getter" in Chattanooga ... :sign0020:
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IMO having personal pride in some talent is much different than receiving, needing or seeking validation by others. Hell, I take pride in knowing I'm the most talented liar here and I don't need anyone else to tell me so! Is that pride any different than one might have in knowing they had never "colored" a tail here but who's post are boring?
Based on the suggestion of the OP that a person might have a "different" pride in something that they "built" rather than that they may have in something they bought, would there not then also be a "different" pride between a restored, molested, customized. etc. - v - original car? :confused0006:
What about when two folks do the same task but one results in a much higher standard than the other, should they both take the same pride in their work or not?
And each of us has known kids who have never had to struggle to make the highest marks in school. And we have all know kids who had to work their butts off to get barely passing marks. Which should have the most "pride" in their marks.
To me trying to asses someone else's pride is about like trying to asses their love or hate. All are our personal emotions that can never be truly measured or assessed by anyone other than ourselves.
Really, do you think adoptive parents have any different or less forefeeling pride in their children than natural parents because they didn't "build" them?
I'm confident in one thing, pride in ownership or how much we love our car has no relevance to market value, thus the old saying, one man's trash is another's treasure. After all, some of us really love our trash!
Based on the suggestion of the OP that a person might have a "different" pride in something that they "built" rather than that they may have in something they bought, would there not then also be a "different" pride between a restored, molested, customized. etc. - v - original car? :confused0006:
What about when two folks do the same task but one results in a much higher standard than the other, should they both take the same pride in their work or not?
And each of us has known kids who have never had to struggle to make the highest marks in school. And we have all know kids who had to work their butts off to get barely passing marks. Which should have the most "pride" in their marks.
To me trying to asses someone else's pride is about like trying to asses their love or hate. All are our personal emotions that can never be truly measured or assessed by anyone other than ourselves.
Really, do you think adoptive parents have any different or less forefeeling pride in their children than natural parents because they didn't "build" them?
I'm confident in one thing, pride in ownership or how much we love our car has no relevance to market value, thus the old saying, one man's trash is another's treasure. After all, some of us really love our trash!
Wow, this kinda goes back to high school Vo Tech! The auto body guys all had nice looking quiet six cylinder cars, while we in auto mechanics had cars that basicly looked like rat crap painted gray but ran like crazy.
Carl stated earlier his car was as he bought it. He either searched until he found the car he wanted, or came upon the car and thought, "I gotta have this, and I can afford it - SOLD!' Either way, that car goes by and it's Carl's smilin face in the window. I bought the aforementioned gray rat crap-mobile and made it like I wanted, my father in law did the welding and putty work, but I bought and cut out and formed the pieces we needed. Same bottom line, this car goes by, it's my smilin face in the window, just as proud as Carl - to own, in our opinions, the coolest vehicles we can.
Carl stated earlier his car was as he bought it. He either searched until he found the car he wanted, or came upon the car and thought, "I gotta have this, and I can afford it - SOLD!' Either way, that car goes by and it's Carl's smilin face in the window. I bought the aforementioned gray rat crap-mobile and made it like I wanted, my father in law did the welding and putty work, but I bought and cut out and formed the pieces we needed. Same bottom line, this car goes by, it's my smilin face in the window, just as proud as Carl - to own, in our opinions, the coolest vehicles we can.
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Well thought out and stated. Like the Rocket!!!! Pretty Slick.:tu I am happy and proud of my Driver. I say "I did all the ugly and 3/4 of the Purdy". After over 2 yrs in Paint Shop Jail, I painted the front splash pans, hood, inner fenders, steering column, steering wheel, ect in my driveway under my shade tree. 13,000 Smiley Miles in last 14 months. Peoples choice yesterday was kinda neat. Truth, top 10, a non driven Georgous 57 got First. Well deserved. If "It's Too Nice To Drive", it needs to be preserved in a museum for all to see and enjoy. Folks still honk and wave at me, but now they use their whole hand, not just one digit. :shakehands: :gba: If I had the bucks, I might just buy a better one already done and be just as proud. :congrats:
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doing your own work does not put you in some elite class. i have done work over the years for many that had the knowledge and talent but either had no place to do it or were in a position that they could not. one in particular was a surgeon who drag raced in the 60's but could not risk an injury . to be honest this attitude towards people who hire the work done grates on my nerves some. if not for the so called checkbook builders you would have very little aftermarket parts to choose from , there would be no riddlers award , and this hobby would be boring as hell .
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The pride of accomplishment is always much greater if you did the work yourself. Some people have no problem lying thru there teeth.
From 2005 to 2009 I did a frame on restoration on my last '57 150 with new everything. Things I couldn't do I had shops do: body work, paint, transmission, install glass & new eBay upholstery. I rebuilt & installed the engine, suspension,wiring body trim, seats, carpet door panels etc. I was very proud of the work I did & told everybody I didn't do all the work. I also owned the car since 1974.
The car was burned to the ground from a utility gas line explosion in 2010. Long story short, I now have a shop built car. I did very little to the car & I tell people that.
I was very proud of my work in the car I built, the new one not so much although I did have it built with about everything a car person would want in a car.
No, the utility Co. did not pay for the new car. They paid about 36%, I paid the rest.
I would rather have my old car back because of the work I did.
From 2005 to 2009 I did a frame on restoration on my last '57 150 with new everything. Things I couldn't do I had shops do: body work, paint, transmission, install glass & new eBay upholstery. I rebuilt & installed the engine, suspension,wiring body trim, seats, carpet door panels etc. I was very proud of the work I did & told everybody I didn't do all the work. I also owned the car since 1974.
The car was burned to the ground from a utility gas line explosion in 2010. Long story short, I now have a shop built car. I did very little to the car & I tell people that.
I was very proud of my work in the car I built, the new one not so much although I did have it built with about everything a car person would want in a car.
No, the utility Co. did not pay for the new car. They paid about 36%, I paid the rest.
I would rather have my old car back because of the work I did.
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Never mentioned Elite and do not have any attitude towards anybody. Most are missing the point but in a way answering the original question.
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I thank you for the post. This is in my opinion what it would be like. :tu
PS sorry about your first car!
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I showed a friend how to do his brakes one time. He has never asked for me to do anything for him again he just comes over and wants to do things himself. He does Ask questions but he simply can't be happier driving home after he fixed or changed something his self.
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Nice post thanks for your view.:congrats: Would there be a difference in your choice of restored, molested, customized or whatever if you had it done or did it yourself?
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how many can have a sense of acclompishment and pride for doing what we do for a living to be able to have their car built. and how many actualy can build said parts of a car? dont we all just more assemble a car that we mail order anyway? who here can english wheel and form a new quarter panel or fender. when was the last time anybody pulled out their growler and rebuilt their own starters or generators. its been coming and most people dont see it, even in profesional repair shops, we change parts now. we dont fix anthing. we bolt on parts that come in a big brown truck to our door step. sorry for the rant. but none of us are 100% self sufficient in this world. we all need a little help.
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Interesting question. the truth is I do have the option of "doing my own work" or hiring it done. I have a nice milling machine, lathe, mig welder, band saw, along with pretty much any hand tool a body might need to build or repair a car.
I'm also a second generation, union elevator constructor with thirty-five years in the industry. I don't know if you have ever known any personally, but we are one of the best all around trained trades going. If I can install and maintain a bank of high rise elevators I would guess I would be able to pull off installing or trouble shooting anything electrical or machanical on a car. But honestly, I would only have to guess because I have no desire to attempt doing so.
I'm a metal fabricator that has and can install or disassemble an escalator for service and repair. If you think the panel gaps on a tri-five Chevy are challenging, one good size escalator has more shims, spacers and critical joint alignment than a dozen old Chevys.
I have a lot of and take great pride in my abilities, but simply choose not to apply them to working on a car because I find it nether challenging or rewarding. Sure I tinker some on my cars, but only when I can't find something else to do at the time.
I guess the way I look at it is, working on cars is simply not the part of the hobby I enjoy and instead prefer to use the services of others. The truth is I don't even change my own oil or wash my own cars most times.
It's the social aspect of the hobby I enjoy. I get no enjoyment from burning the mid-night oil out in the shop alone doing something I can hire the local handy man or car guys to do. If a car should have very nice paint and body work I prefer to buy it already done. That way I know what the finished car will look like before I lay down my money.
As far as preferred style, I have owned street rods, hot rods, gassers, rat rods and muscle cars. My least favorite is the one I'm looking to buy and my favorite is the one I'm selling. If you don't think so just ask me. Hell, I have said I don't care if I buy one a hundred times and I have said I don't want to sell one thousands of times over the years. But I seem to enjoy the low maintenance ones the best.
This car stuff isn't my religion, it's just for fun. I would rather come over and help you work on yours than work on my own alone. But what I really do enjoy is telling other folks have to "fix" theirs!
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I sort of agree with Moon, on most things. My biggest issue is that I am now pushing 70, I don't have the time or energy to do what I could 40 years ago. I have worked for 52 years, in the beginning I had to work on my own cars, it wasn't fun. Then I had to take care of the business of raising a family for 40+ years, no time or money for fun. Now, I feel very much a sense of pride with every drop of sweat, or blood that I shed for my car. No, I didn't build it, but I have earned enough to be comfortable with buying and maintaining my car. We are working on a rusted out 56, quite a challenge, and we won't do everything, but still what we build is ours to have a sense of pride in. Some have the means to be able to buy, others not, we should never belittle someone else for not having the means, or not building their own car. I'm not saying the OP did this, but it has been mentioned in other threads. I'm rambling again, that's what us old people do.
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