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Hi All,

Does anyone know of a resource where I can find which interior trim codes were available with specific paint colors? I’ve looked high, low, and everywhere in between and can’t find anything. Paint colors; yes, trim colors; yes, but not anything that shows the combos.

I discovered the original paint color on my ‘57 Convertible behind the heater core (either Tropical Turquoise or Larkspur Blue - need to order some paint chips to verify), but since my car is missing the cowl tag I don’t know the original trim code.

Thanks in advance!
 
On a 'special ordered SOLD car' I suspect one could get any combination, just as with the later years (where I'm certain it was possible), but for 99% of cars bought off lots at dealerships, they would have been 'standard color combos'. Turquoise convertibles generally have 'turquoise convertible interiors'; larkspur blue convertibles generally have the 'blue interior'. I wouldn't build one any different than those, both for aesthetics and for possible resale later.

PS. a Convertible would get the corresponding convertible interior (all of which were all-vinyl materials - ie. no cloth)...
 
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On a 'special ordered SOLD car' I suspect one could get any combination, just as with the later years (where I'm certain it was possible), but for 99% of cars bought off lots at dealerships, they would have been 'standard color combos'. Turquoise convertibles generally have 'turquoise convertible interiors'; larkspur blue convertibles generally have the 'blue interior'. I wouldn't build one any different than those, both for aesthetics and for possible resale later.

PS. a Convertible would get the corresponding convertible interior (all of which were all-vinyl materials - ie. no cloth)...
Thanks

I agree with your color choices, but I‘m just trying to do the forensics on this car to see what it was from the factory. Some pretty wild color combos could be had in the 50s, so you never know what this may have been.

The car is already painted white and has a new red interior, so it will be staying that way for a while.
 
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How can you not tell the difference between the two colors?
Because when you view the paint colors in an image online, they are fairly close (monitors and phone screens are never 100% color-correct). Also, the painted area is the inside of the heater plenum, and besides being dirty, it doesn't look like it got a full coat of paint. Here's a photo.
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What a great resource, thanks! I want to study this a bit more, but it looks like the Tropical Turquoise cars were only available with turquoise trim, and Larkspur Blue cars were only available with blue trim.
There is a tremendous amount of documentation on how tri-fives were built. That's why we can say thus-and-so with great confidence, and quickly recognize someone who hasn't done their homework. But, reliable documentation on the special ordering process for a customer who wanted something not on the lot is practically nonexistent, to my knowledge. And, at this point, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who worked at a dealership that did special orders who's still alive and accurately remembers how it was done.

We know with certainty how the interior and exterior colors were matched in standard production, but we don't know anything about nonstandard combinations. Would the factory accept an order for a white car with a blue interior? I have no idea. I can say with certainty they wouldn't accept an order for a 6 cylinder car with a Turboglide transmission, because the transmission won't bolt up.

Keep in mind the whole special order thing was still evolving at this point in time. The long menu of options with option codes so familiar to 1960s Chevelle and Camaro owners hadn't yet evolved. So, you can't assume that tri-five special orders worked the same way.

Prior to World War II, there were essentially no drivetrain options for just about any car. A certain model came with a certain engine and transmission, and that's that. (Higher-end cars such as Buick would have several distinct models with different wheelbases and different drivetrains, but a given model still had only 1 engine available). So, it was pretty much - pick your model and body style, pick your color, and add whatever dealer installed accessories you wanted. Done. If you look at the dealer-installed accessories, there were piles of them, but they were all items that bolted on, or only required a modest amount of drilling or cutting. If you study the tri-five accessories installation manual, that's pretty much how it had been done for a number of years.

Prior to WW II, I guess a dealer could have special-ordered a certain standard color for a certain body style, but that's pure conjecture on my part with no documentation to back it up. Other than getting a specific body style in a specific color, there wasn't anything to special-order, as factory-installed options were pretty much nonexistent.

That would have carried over in the early postwar period, as new 1946-48 cars sold as fast as they hit the dealer's lot. Sales of new cars to the general population ended in February of 1942, and remained thus through the end of the war, so there was a huge pent-up demand for anything new. Things started to change with the introduction of the 1949 models. But, that's a whole different discussion.
 
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There is a tremendous amount of documentation on how tri-fives were built. That's why we can say thus-and-so with great confidence, and quickly recognize someone who hasn't done their homework. But, reliable documentation on the special ordering process for a customer who wanted something not on the lot is practically nonexistent, to my knowledge. And, at this point, you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who worked at a dealership that did special orders who's still alive and accurately remembers how it was done.

We know with certainty how the interior and exterior colors were matched in standard production, but we don't know anything about nonstandard combinations. Would the factory accept an order for a white car with a blue interior? I have no idea. I can say with certainty they wouldn't accept an order for a 6 cylinder car with a Turboglide transmission, because the transmission won't bolt up.

Keep in mind the whole special order thing was still evolving at this point in time. The long menu of options with option codes so familiar to 1960s Chevelle and Camaro owners hadn't yet evolved. So, you can't assume that tri-five special orders worked the same way.

Prior to World War II, there were essentially no drivetrain options for just about any car. A certain model came with a certain engine and transmission, and that's that. (Higher-end cars such as Buick would have several distinct models with different wheelbases and different drivetrains, but a given model still had only 1 engine available). So, it was pretty much - pick your model and body style, pick your color, and add whatever dealer installed accessories you wanted. Done. If you look at the dealer-installed accessories, there were piles of them, but they were all items that bolted on, or only required a modest amount of drilling or cutting. If you study the tri-five accessories installation manual, that's pretty much how it had been done for a number of years.

Prior to WW II, I guess a dealer could have special-ordered a certain standard color for a certain body style, but that's pure conjecture on my part with no documentation to back it up. Other than getting a specific body style in a specific color, there wasn't anything to special-order, as factory-installed options were pretty much nonexistent.

That would have carried over in the early postwar period, as new 1946-48 cars sold as fast as they hit the dealer's lot. Sales of new cars to the general population ended in February of 1942, and remained thus through the end of the war, so there was a huge pent-up demand for anything new. Things started to change with the introduction of the 1949 models. But, that's a whole different discussion.
Thanks for the added info.

I'm pretty good about doing research and have been around these cars, on-and-off, since 1985, but I don't have the experience of working with them daily so the accumulated knowledge is not there compared to some others. With the cowl tag missing my job is a little more difficult to do. While there is a ton of info about how the cars were built, there's not a lot about specific options and combinations, and VIN searches are basically useless in terms of finding the details of a car's original build.

There's enough left of the car's original equipment (270hp short block, clutch linkage still under the dash, and rear axle tag) to know that the engine and rear axle at least appear to be original, while some things have changed, like a Powerglide in place of the original 3 speed. The details of the rest are proving too be a bit more elusive.

I'm compiling as much documentation as I can so, if the day comes that I can fully restore this car, I have what I need.

In the end, I'll most likely fill in the blanks with what most likely would have been, but I'm trying to get as close as possible before I take that step.

Thanks again for your input.
 
Because when you view the paint colors in an image online, they are fairly close (monitors and phone screens are never 100% color-correct). Also, the painted area is the inside of the heater plenum, and besides being dirty, it doesn't look like it got a full coat of paint. Here's a photo.
Looks like turquoise to me.
 
I think that looks like Larkspur Blue. Good luck in whatever you find. If you can determine what it is, please let us know.
 
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