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I found this interesting, because I always thought it was due to the valve cover shape

Q: Why are the 348 and 409's called "W" motors?

A: When the 265 came out in 1955, it's larger size was greatly accepted by the public and Chevrolet realized that this trend would continue far into the future with bigger and bigger engines. The problem is the 265 could only grow so big (to 327 cu. inches).

Another problem was the small block had torque limitations in a low rpm range that made it less than desirable for heavier models w/automatic transmissions and unsuitable as a truck engine.

Chevrolet came out with 3 test engines to meet this problem labeled, "W", "X", and "Y".

The "X" and "Y" were bored out versions of the 265 displacing 300 cubes. The "X" model kept the 3" stroke while increasing the bore to 4 inches. The "Y" engine had an increased stroke (3.3 inches) and a bore of 3 13/16 inches.

Neither were what they were looking for but these engines did lead up to the 283.

Last was the "W" engine. What was needed was an engine with not only another 50 cubes but one that had room to expand 60 inches beyond that. It also had to be small enough to fit into a passenger car. It had to bolt into car as well as trucks.

The "W" engine met all these requirements. The final product was only 1 1/2 inches longer, 2 1/2 inches wider, and 7/8 inch shorter than the 265.
Wow!! Great info. I had always heard that it was due to the odd shape of the valve covers. This makes a whole lot more sense. Very interesting that they were able to squeeze all that into virtually the same dimension as a small block.
 
I got a problem here... I love tri fives especially 57s. I love 58 Impalas especially...that said, I love 59 impalas and then there 62, 63, 64, Kinds of like 65, 66, and especially 67's. The problem is I only got 40 acres and way too little cash. Is Dear Abby still taking letters?
 
This is my 409 in a 55 Chevy pickup. It’s not the easiest swap, I had the 235 6 cyl. and 3 on the tree. I drove it like that for twenty years before changing it all out. I have over 15k in the motor, you could do it cheaper without all the polished parts, but won’t look as cool in my opinion. When I had the six in it, it had very little attention at outdoor shows. Now it gets a lot. It is super nice to cruise around town, it passes everything on the road, except for a gas station.
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This is my 409 in a 55 Chevy pickup. It’s not the easiest swap, I had the 235 6 cyl. and 3 on the tree. I drove it like that for twenty years before changing it all out. I have over 15k in the motor, you could do it cheaper without all the polished parts, but won’t look as cool in my opinion. When I had the six in it, it had very little attention at outdoor shows. Now it gets a lot. It is super nice to cruise around town, it passes everything on the road, except for a gas station.
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That’s awesome man. Very much how I see mine coming together. Thank you for sharing.
 
A true 57 150 stands alone in its realm of the iconic 57 models . The cheapest version and ultimate sleeper coupled with the right engine is one of my favorite cars. Just my opinion , a 150 with a dual quad 283 is the perfect combo leaving it a three on the tree. Looking in one of these cars engine bays sporting this setup the first thing I look for is the single peg on the heads designating the 997 heads . So thats just me . If you are still in the market for the W motor a friend of mine has a fresh 65 409 on the stand he said he is selling . He also is very familiar with the transplant of a 409 into a tri five . He currently is finishing up his 55 150 with a 409 nestled between the fenders . A very knowledgeable tri five and 409 car guy he also has a 57 Corvette with a dual quad 409 he nestled in the car . He knows a lot of the shortcuts and tricks to pull off these transplants. I can put you in contact if interested . He is in south eastern Pa.
 
Installing a 348/409 in a TriFive is not as difficult as many proclaim.

The 348/409 will bolt up to the trip-Five original V8 Bellhousing. This bell housing provides the rear engine/trans mount as well. You can install an 11" clutch in this Bellhousing.

The fit between the #5 Exhaust Manifold exit and the Steering box is easily remidied by grinding off 3/16" from the contact point on the Manifold, and 1/8" off of the side of the adjacent Stock steering box. There is PLENTY of meat there to grind off to result in a 1/4" + clearance. Unless you have a non-stock steering box with a U-Joint, don't off-set or otherwise try to move the box, because the stock box needs to go arrow straight through the firewall to align properly.

You can use the Stock Chevy Motor Mounts in the front. The best way to do this is to very, veryslightly suspend the engine with a lift, transmission mounted to the bellhousing and bellhousing bolted to its Frame mounts. With the front mounts bolted to the engine, lower the engine to just touch the front crossmember. Where the mount contacts the crossmember should be about 3/4" to 1" forward of the Stock V8 mounting holes. Mark where the center of the mount touches the crossmember. Make sure the markings are even, centered and symetrical

Now drill the holes (2), then use a taper drill to finish the hole to the correct size (Same diameter as the other two, V8, and 6 cyl. mounting holes. Install the mounts on the engine and crossmember, and that part is done.

The Oil Pan will need to be modified or replaced because the front of the reservoir section interferes with the steering linkage. If you cut out the front section for clearance, realize that you are substracting oil capacity, and need to replace it by extending the remaining reservoir downwards. Roughly a 1.75 inches downward extension gives you a 5 1/2 quart oil pan, which is perfect for the "W" series engine. If you are not a good welder, take it to a pro, explain what you are trying to do, and they can weld it up for you. I used a Wire feed welder, and it was easy. Check for leaks with gasoline or acetone, not oil or water.

A modern three row Aluminum Radiator, mounted in the 6 cyl position works perfect, but also be sure to add a shroud, and a 6 bladed fan. These are available off the shelf from various Vendors.

Lastly, you will likely need to do some Hammer and dolly work on the front of the transmission tunnel to clear the Valve covers, and allow them to be easily removed for service, etc. Not too much, just enough for this clearance.

Yes, there are numerous, and endless other ways to skin this same cat, but the above is - IMO - the easiest, and least trouble, resulting in the same conclusion.

Note: If the car originally had a 6 cyl., you are probably alright in the coil spring area, if it was a V8, you will need to replace the front coil springs, There are numerous threads and debates on this, and I don't know what your plans are for final height, lowered or raised, so this is another discussion to have.

Have fun!

Edit: Almost forgot: If you cut back and capacity extend the Oil Pan downward for steering linkage clearance, you'll need a longer oil pump pick-up. These are available from many vendors, I bought mine from Speedway Motors. I also use a two quart Spin-on oil filter (Wix) that helps in addition to aforementioned modifications to eliminate any overheating issues.
 
I had my machine shop stroke my '61 348 to 434 cubes. Forged pistons, rods, 454 steel crank, Edelbrock heads, intake and 750 carb., I forget the specs of the hydraulic cam. I put this engine in my '56 210 2d straight axle gasser wagon that I built. Had to move the engine forward I believe about 1.5 inches to avoid the firewall/valve covers. Only pita issue I had, was trying to fit the headers on the driver side. Ran a TH400 trans. and 3.70 posi rear. The motor ran great but liked to run very hot. A shroud and electric fan cured this problem. The engine had a ton of power and torque. Got a lot of questions about the motor at car shows. The motor was expensive to build, but I had no regrets, Carmine.
 
I built a 409 for my 62 impala a few years ago and absolutely love the engine! It has plenty of torque to get the big impala rolling, it has a unique sound like people say, and the coolness factor is over the top. But it was costly. I went back and forth on building a 348 for my latest project which is a 55 bel air convert but ended up going with a 327 sbc since I already have a W engine. A 348 would definitely be a cost effective alternative with the same coolness factor. Here are some pics. Making me wish I had built the 348 for the 55 as I look at this pics haha.
 

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The above thread reminds me that I also built a 409/340 for my '62 Impala SS. The car originally came with a 283. Someone transplanted a 327 into it, but I wanted a 409. Found the '63 block and assorted parts. Off to the machine shop. Installed it in my car. Worked out a few issues with it and it was one of the best engines I ever owned. Plenty of power and torque. Would run all day the hottest day of July, at 180-185. As mentioned above, not cheap to build, but worth it to me, Carmine.
 
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A true 57 150 stands alone in its realm of the iconic 57 models . The cheapest version and ultimate sleeper coupled with the right engine is one of my favorite cars. Just my opinion , a 150 with a dual quad 283 is the perfect combo leaving it a three on the tree. Looking in one of these cars engine bays sporting this setup the first thing I look for is the single peg on the heads designating the 997 heads . So thats just me . If you are still in the market for the W motor a friend of mine has a fresh 65 409 on the stand he said he is selling . He also is very familiar with the transplant of a 409 into a tri five . He currently is finishing up his 55 150 with a 409 nestled between the fenders . A very knowledgeable tri five and 409 car guy he also has a 57 Corvette with a dual quad 409 he nestled in the car . He knows a lot of the shortcuts and tricks to pull off these transplants. I can put you in contact if interested . He is in south eastern Pa.
Thanks man. Yes, please PM me his contact info. I would love to talk with and get some much need advice.
 
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I built a 409 for my 62 impala a few years ago and absolutely love the engine! It has plenty of torque to get the big impala rolling, it has a unique sound like people say, and the coolness factor is over the top. But it was costly. I went back and forth on building a 348 for my latest project which is a 55 bel air convert but ended up going with a 327 sbc since I already have a W engine. A 348 would definitely be a cost effective alternative with the same coolness factor. Here are some pics. Making me wish I had built the 348 for the 55 as I look at this pics haha.
Dude, that is so cool. I love your color scheme. Your photos make me anxious to get started. Thanks man
 
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