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In 2015 I had my car insured through Heacock Insurance. First time the car had been running in years and first time insured in years. I have never had a claim so I cant say whether they would treat me right if I had a claim. So I just received my policy for the coming year. The cover letter from Heacock states that they are pleased to offer me this "renewal" policy. However, the cover letter from the underwriting company specifically states that what I have received is a "replacement" policy. Looking at the replacement policy, it is not a renewal of my prior policy but a new and now different policy with terms defined differently, different coverage limits, coverages provided differently.

I won't lie, this kind of garbage drives me crazy. Words have meaning and the insurance companies don't change the wording of their policies for nothing. The changes in wording mean something, it means your policy is changing and usually not in the insureds favor but so as to exclude coverage.

In fact, the insurers look to the words in the policy to determine whether you are covered or not in the event of an accident or other loss to figure out a way not to pay on a claim.

So I called the 800 number to ask directly how this occurred and how Heacock managed to send out this contradictory message. I apparently got a local rep who was completely unprepared to answer the questions. In fact, she emphatically claimed that it was her understanding the the policy was the same as the prior policy and all that had changed was the underwriting insurer's system. When I pointed out that that was not the case at all, and pointed her to examples in the policy, her solution was to offer to make whatever changes I wanted to make the "replacement" policy more like a "renewal" policy. In other words, add ons and make the policy more expensive. I could not believe it. Not only did she not understand the policy or the changes, she was unaware of them and her solution was to upsell. What horse manure.

Collector car insurance is relatively expensive per mile. Given the low number of miles I drive my 57 each year, I am like .25 or better per mile. For that kind of money I expect very good coverage and excellent customer service. I am not getting either with this new "replacement" policy or from Heacock, a "replacement" policy that Heacock is apparently "pleased" to offer me. I could scream.

Are you kidding me? The fact that Heacock thought they could just brush my concerns under the rug is concerning. Actually, I am infuriated.

So, is anyone willing to weigh in on Grundy vs. Haggerty and how they have set their own collector car policies up in terms of coverage and coverage limits? Has anyone had to make a claim and did you have a good or bad experience? Any other collector car insurers that might be worth looking at?

Mike
 
Mike...Going by Bruce's recommendation, I recently switched from Grundy to Haggerty....Grundy's poor response to this incident: Wreck with Grundy Insurance! pushed me to switch.
 
I've had Hagerty for years, never had to file a claim but their service has been pretty good and you can't beat the rates and lack of restrictions. I just added a lower value '55 4 door to my Canadian policy and it worked out to the equivalent of USD $120/year even with the added 'seasonal daily coverage' as I'll be regularly using it for errands / commutes on nice days. They let you drive it wherever / whenever you want as long as it's not a true daily driver and you have another regular driver vehicle where some classic insurance has pretty harsh restrictions on mileage, not taking it to work, or club/show/parade duty only which just doesn't work for me.
 
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I've had Hagerty for years as well . Their customer svc is good , I have 150 mile towing that covers every car in the house . They also insure cars that are kept in the driveway . Heacock was the official ins of my car club . I priced them and they were more than Hagerty . I felt they were the Official.................. You get the idea .

Robbie OD
 
Mike,
I've have Hagerty on the Chevy and two SAAB's. The 91 SAAB was hit in a parking lot (hit and run) reported to police. Hagerty interacted with body shop for initial estimate. There was the potential of additional work (which was mentioned in the Hagerty paper work) and happened. When submitted, Hagerty paid the additional amount, within weeks. No hassle. I have a small claim I'm about to submit on the 55, we'll see how it goes, I'll let you know.
 
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I am supposed to hear back from Haggerty directly today as opposed to the local insurance agent I spoke with yesterday. We shall see. At this point, its just an exercise in fact finding as I have pretty much made my mind up that I am not staying with Heacock. I am just not willing to spend my hard earned dollars with a company that thinks so little of me.

I will report back on my conversation, if Heacock actually calls me back.
 
In my state, Minnesota, American Modern Insurance Group underwrites the policies for Heacock Classic and the policies simply changed from one of the companies in American Modern's group of companies to another company within the group. I assume that this is the case for all states. The coverage provided by the replacement policy should be no different than the prior policy. We do business with Heacock and many other carriers in our agency that offer coverage for collector vehicles. Insurance Companies make changes similar to this change often due to changes in their underwriting philosophy or regulatory changes within the state that the policy is written.

The notifications sent by the company when this type of change takes place can be confusing but are required to be sent because of the cancellation of the current policy and the acceptance of the replacement policy.
 
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Some of the terms were defined differently, coverage limits were changed with the explanation that you may get more or less coverage then in the prior policy, there were also new exclusions and limitations. It was all subtle, but it was not a renewal policy it was a replacement policy with different terms.

Heacock described it as a renewal policy which it was not. The underwriting company described it as a replacement policy. The announcements are contradictory. It was a replacement policy containing different terms and conditions. That is deceptive under all 50 states Consumer Protection Laws. The fact that the local agent did not understand the difference is pretty poor. The fact that she tried to tell me it was the same policy and same coverage, terms and conditions was wrong. For example, she tried to tell me the single limits vs split limits was done merely because of a "system change" by the underwriter. I knew right then she did not actually understand that a change had been made, and the effect that the change would have on coverage, for the good or the bad. That is a problem.

Heacock had a right to explain to its customers what was going on in clear and understandable language. The explanations in the materials were confusing, the charts were unhelpful, the changes made to the defined terms were not explained at all, among other things. To suggest that this is acceptable because insurance companies do this all the time is insulting.

Haycock was obligated to explain the effect of the changes in terms, conditions and coverage in clear certain language to allow the customers to decide if they wanted this new "replacement" policy. They did not do that. They had a right to make sure their agents could provide adequate explanations. They did not do that. Instead Heacock simply announced they were "pleased" to offer the renewal policy. Unacceptable from my standpoint.
 
I agree, changes such as policy limits are more than what should be allowed under the description of "Renewal Policy" and the language is deceptive and definitely not acceptable. Again, we do business in Minnesota and the industry is highly regulated by the Minnesota Department Of Commerce and I expect the same is true in most other states. The Heacock letter that was sent to our customers mentioned the replacement of the policy but there were no material changes such as the policy limits that you mentioned. Minnesota Insurance Laws are more than likely much different than the laws in your state and probably don't allow the changes to policies that you experienced in this case. I have spent 36 years in the industry and I am always eager to learn more about the issues that affect the consumer in my home state and other states as well so this discussion is very interesting to me.

Thank you for voicing your concerns about the Heacock changes, this information will be valuable to many who use this site!
 
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I will report that despite being told twice that someone from Heacock, other then the local broker, would call me to discuss my concerns, I have received no call or other communication. It’s pretty disappointing. On the other hand, if they are not going to be responsive on matters concerning the policies they are selling, then I can’t imagine what it must be like to deal with them if you have an insurable event and submit a claim. So I learned something that will help me going forward.

I am going to throw in the towel with Heacock. It’s one of those things, once you have lost confidence in a vendor, it’s very difficult if not impossible to gain it back. I don’t know that I can trust them now to treat me right if I ever had a claim.
 
NCM, National Corvette Museum, offers insurance. I have 4 classics through them for agreed value (between $10-12K each) for less than $400. a year. Customer service is excellent. They are underwritten by American Modern. If you are still looking for a policy try them.
 
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Thanks but American modern is who heacock underwrites through. I am going to try to avoid both I am that unhappy with how I was treated as a Customer.
 
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