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Ronnie@JB1957

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Checking to see if anyone has outsourced the AC install in your tri five. I am on the fence between doing it myself and outsourcing.

My car has no ducts or heater, it originated as a heater delete car. The car is very clean having recently been frame off restored. I am not cutting the dash, installing under. It has a small block with a tremec. I called one (lower dollar) local shop here in Jacksonville Florida and was quoted $3500 for labor. Once I add the kit and shipping place me close to $5000. Any comparison data.

Thanks, Ron
 
The shop I use (and trust) to work on my 55 charges $80/hour for labor...$3,500 is ~43 hours or one work-week. Given everything it takes to install all the pieces and parts and make them work, I think that's a reasonable estimate for the amount of time needed.

I did my own installation, and in terms of total hours it took me at least double that... but I had never done an AC install before. I bought a crimper so I could do my own hoses and fabricated a custom bracket to mount the condenser, which I painted the same color as my car. I also had to do substantial adjustment and fabrication of the compressor bracket in order to correct the angle and make the AC pulley line up properly with the other pulleys.

Along the way there are a ton of little things that pop up, so you need to be able to problem solve as you go. I bench-tested the fan unit before installation which made me realize it had a bent internal wall that had to be fixed (easily bent back into proper shape) before installation under the dash. I had an issue with the controller switch which turned out to be a bad crimp, so I fixed that by soldering the connections. Nothing crazy, just all things to figure out and deal with.

I did cut holes in my freshly painted dash because I wanted those beautiful chrome vents - which was a terrifying experience - that I pulled off by working carefully and using lots of tape...and "measure twice, cut once" methodology.

I mention all this to help you understand what you're getting into if you go the DIY route. If you are adept at working on cars and not afraid to tackle a good sized project, then you will be ok. Just go into it realizing that you'll learn along the way and will likely face some frustrations...but in the end you will prevail.

Finally, if you decide to DIY and have questions, obviously the people on this forum are amazing and helpful, lots of answers available here. You can also feel free to PM me, I'm happy to help if I can.
 
Just curious, is this the vintage air unit you're talking about? I was considering one of those and didn't think it would be near that many hours, I wonder if I grossly underestimated the difficulty?
 
A friend of mine says he has a fella that does his AC installs for $1500....
 
The labor required is quite dependent on what type of system you have (below dash or behind dash), and whether you have a stock engine or a later model which may already have a suitable compressor mount or a compressor you can use, as well as many other variables.
 
I was thinking hidden behind dash with the factory vents added, on a 265 or early 283. Probably a worst case scenario from the sounds of it?
 
Ronnie....Will be following along on your thread....I'm from Jacksonville as well and will be needing to have A/C installed.

What shop did you get a quote from?
 
In my shop these days a VA install starts at$1300. The more extra items you add the higher th cost
 
I have installed several Vintage Air systems. I know it is intimidating, just like rewiring. I couldn't/wouldn't pay the rates you guys are talking about. I'll admit the first one was tough, but I followed the instructions step by step, and had to pay to get the lines crimped and have the system charged, but that was it. When I ordered the kit, I told them exactly what the system was going in, what engine combination I had, and everything went well. Give it a try, the pride of doing it yourself is rewarding.
 
I installed Classic Auto A/C "Perfect Fit" in my non-A/C 1968 Camaro. It took about 30 hours. Never installed a/c in a car. My first time. It was a bit challenging. Read the instructions several times. Total cost back then, was about $1,700.00 (about seven years ago). Today, it would be about $2,000. The owner of the A/C shop quoted me $125.00 to charge the system. After evacuating and charging the system he said he was giving me a 10% discount as a professional courtesy because I did the install. Something about doing it yourself makes it more gratifying...labor of love.
 
I bill out at $150.00 an hour. standard VA install in a tri five using aftermarket AC drives run parts plus 24 hours
Before I read Robert's post I estimated 20-25 hours, for a competent shop familiar with the process. Although labor rates vary across the country, I have done a couple of VA installs and think he's right on the hours (for a complete install). You can always find someone to do it cheaper, but don't forget you are also assuming most of the problems if you don't use an experienced installer. If you're not willing or able to do the work yourself, it is not a cheap luxury, for sure.
 
If you are going to AC it is a dang good idea to go ahead and upgrade the entire front of the engine. Serpentine systems can be bought that come with compressors, alternators and power steering pumps. All included and designed for any specific engine/car combination. You do not have to run bright polished stuff, black is very popular right now and I install those more often then the polished billet aluminum that has been so popular for the last 25 years.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate all of the feedback.

Try to answer the questions:
1) Classic or Vintage AC System
2) Rm Garage
3) Regarding the serpentine. Thought about that as well but the engine is new (500 miles), the water pump new, the alternator also new. Hate to replace new parts with new parts.

Will probably hold and do it myself on vacation time. Photo of engine (434) attached.
 

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Do it yourself
My 56 came with a vintage air already installed.
I basically had to rip it out and start over to fix the lousy installation
I had to reengineer the install
I’m an expert now, and it’s not that difficult
If someone is going to screw it up, let it be me, I hate paying for a lousy job.
Tip: VA will install the hose ends for you, but you have to give them a diagram showing how to clock the hoses and fittings. That is of course if you buy them from VA.
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Checking to see if anyone has outsourced the AC install in your tri five. I am on the fence between doing it myself and outsourcing.

My car has no ducts or heater, it originated as a heater delete car. The car is very clean having recently been frame off restored. I am not cutting the dash, installing under. It has a small block with a tremec. I called one (lower dollar) local shop here in Jacksonville Florida and was quoted $3500 for labor. Once I add the kit and shipping place me close to $5000. Any comparison data.

Thanks, Ron
 
Ron, Since you posted you will do the install, you might want to run the a/c lines forward, then u-turn toward the firewall above the fender apron out of sight. See pix. I had a business called "SOURCE Tube & Hoses" that does hydraulic - A/C make the hoses from a drawing I did.
 

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A friend of mine says he has a fella that does his AC installs for $1500....
Hey Bama, I do them in Tuscaloosa. Last one I did was in a 66 corvette. I charged him 1200. I normally charge between 800 and 1500. Only one vehicle hit the 1500 mark and that's because he wanted a serpentine setup installed as well, in a 41 chevy pickup. I can be reached at 205-210-0639. My name is Chris. If I don't answer, leave me a message or text. I understand this is an older thread, but if you have any experience working on your vehicles, I encourage you to try it. It's not that bad. It takes about 20-25 hours total. I've done quite a few different ones and it's been the same on each. Going to tackle a 57 Apache in a few days, along with a 55 Belair, same guy owns both.
 
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