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Brake shoes – bad wear

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#1 ·
By pure coincidence, my rear brake shoes wore down to the metal the same moment that the front hubs were being upgraded to the tapered roller bearing type – so the source of the scraping noise/feel experienced was a bit of a puzzle for a while there. But worryingly, the rear shoes here only got 10K miles to them ... same as the previous set. (Front hubs and shoes, though, are all good!)

The drums had been adjusted regularly and, I assume, correctly at my usual workshop ... and I saw myself the ever so slight amount of drag being put through the adjustment. it was only when these rear shoes were being replaced that I noticed, via a different mechanic, that the lower return springs had some slop and possibly the shoes had been dragging the whole time once pedal pressure was applied? Anyway, these springs have been replaced for slightly shorter ones and this part of the issue resolved.

We also noticed there is a slight bit of in/out play around the upper pin/post where the shoes are held. Resting position is in, but they can be nudged out, then return back under setting pressure. I am asking about this because these new shoes were actually dragging heavily on the outside of the drum and binding as wheel nuts were being tightened. Ugh! So we ground back some of the lining material and later some of the shoe metal to prevent scoring – and all is good now. To this I am wondering if I should put a washer in behind the pin/post to prevent any chance of the shoes moving out that small amount under ideal pressure?

Pro tip: Don't buy the Wagner shoes – they are riveted and in places there is only 1mm depth between the rivet heads and the top of the surface. (Am taking my old shoes to be relined with bonded material at the local brake shop.)

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#4 ·
Yep, all stock ... '56 stuff.

First shoes also only lasted 10K miles in the rear – but we put that down to being softer brake material. The second set were Raybestos and lasted same. I never sensed the rears were doing more of the work ... only in the middle of all this (recent two weeks) when the brakes would lock up easily.

Last year, and with the second set of shoes in place, a brake booster was fitted (Hydrovac style) but that is plumbed right after the master cylinder so could not favour one end over the other. Except for a more responsive pedal there was no change to the actual braking.

New hose set 5K miles back as well.

But like I said, when we ground off the corner edge of the linings and took 0.5mm off the edge of the shoes (both sides) the wheels bolted up fine and now brakes fine too.
 
#5 ·
Oh ... when I said there fronts were "all good" I meant the set-up of the new styled hubs ... nothing there to cause noise.

But I do recall when the previous set of shoes were changed it was just the rears that had expired, the fronts still had 50% on them. And that was about the same case we saw last week.

I am just figuring that it was the lower return springs had stretched and the rear shoes were just staying slightly 'on' the whole time.
 
#7 ·
46.5mm (1.83") – current and previous sets are the same.

Yes, the rear sets have the thicker lining material to the rear. But we noticed last week that the fronts are the wrong way around – and are changing them to be correct when we replace cylinders (one has started to leak) on Thursday.

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#8 ·
IIRC, front shoes are 2" and rears are 1.75"
So it sounds like yours are a bit wider.

And thicker doesn't sound right.
The shoe with the shorter lining should be toward the front of the car. Servo action means the front shoe uses force from the rotating drum to apply pressure to the rear shoe., so the rear shoe would wear too fast if the linings had the same amount of surface area.
 
#9 ·
Thanks!

And thicker doesn't sound right.
The shoe with the shorter lining should be toward the front of the car. Servo action means the front shoe uses force from the rotating drum to apply pressure to the rear shoe., so the rear shoe would wear too fast if the linings had the same amount of surface area.
Probably with service replacement shoes there are variations all over the place. Both recent sets came from the same specialists 567 Chev parts company, albeit different brands – so nothing is 'brake shop generic'. We could see that recent shoes had only marginally longer material for the back, whereas the earlier Raybestos brand was noticeably longer. But both sets had thicker/thinner variations.

And the previous shoes are now up at the brake shop getting relined with bonded linings – so I will have those as ready-to-go replacements for next time.
 
#13 ·
I have been harping about the organic material currently used on brake shoes for a while now. It is not as good in terms of friction and longevity as the old asbestos brake shoes were. I used name brand organic shoes in 2015, did not work. Scary stopping with four wheel drum brakes. Immediately changed to another name brand, not much better. Then swapped over to a complete set of Muscle Car Brakes ceramic matrix shoes. Big difference in both stopping and longevity. Not cheap, I think they are still around $120 per set but after having them on the car for a couple of years now, there is no way I would go back to over the counter shoes.
 
#16 ·
Here’s another view of same:
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The braking function was all fine as we re-assembled … and it was just the shoe edges catching as it was all tightened up that have problems – but the grinder fixed that.

Just my lasting question is, should I be putting a washer onto the pin to get rid of that slight bit of in/out play of the shoe ends?
 
#23 ·
Update:

The new cylinders went into the fronts yesterday and we are all good. (And the shoes on one side that were the wrong way around were rectified.)

Next I am going to buy a set of replacement spring sets all round – just to change over when the thing is next up in the air.

And the mechanic helping me with this asked about a dual master cylinder – what would be an appropriate upgrade to fit behind a PS generator. Is this sort of thing going to do it?

55 56 57 CHEVY MASTER CYLINDER DUAL CONVERSION DRUM BRAKES | eBay

Last time I searched these things were not around – there was an expensive 60s Corvette items around ... or early Camaro, as I recall.

Advice welcome.