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transmission identification confusion

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#1 ·
im sure this thread might seem like all the other threads about transmission identification but im starting to lose my mind. i have pulled the 3 speed trans off the motor and scraped most of the gunk and build up off so i can read the numbers. below is what i found. i have looked through many websites on what these numbers stand for and what kind of transmission i have. what i have gathered from different sources is that i could possibly have a saginaw 3 speed trans. let me know if you can help me here.

on shift linkage side: 3845157
on opposite side : GM 13 3845122 E247

on tail cone: GM 27 E247# 8707185
(# missing number due to rust build up)

i might be able to get some pictures later
 
#3 ·
couldnt tell you. when i got the truck it had been sitting in a barn for a few years. the truck is not in running condition. i am taking apart the motor to have it cleaned and i was planing on cleaning and rebuilding the trans but before i take it apart i wanted to figure out what it is.
 
#7 ·
on shift linkage side: 3845157
on opposite side : GM 13 3845122 E247

on tail cone: GM 27 E247# 8707185
(# missing number due to rust build up)


To give you a brief overview.
All transmissions have an assembly date code stamped on the main case. There are also casting numbers on individual parts that make up the entire transmission. Car & truck saginaw transmissions often have different date code stamping locations. Assembly date code reflects model year of stamping, not calender year.
3 speed transmission in 1955 was a saginaw design. The transmission is side loaded with a side lever shift & found in all early 3 speed applications. Features include a three step countershaft cluster with the small step in the centre, & a clutch style synchronizer externally splined for the first & reverse shift gear. Not easily distinguished from the 1964 & later saginaws but slightly smaller & has different gear helix angles. Externally this transmission can be identified by the 4 bolt side cover and the elongated tailhousing. One draw back is that the trans is not fully synchronized which led to a new saginaw design in 1966.
Date Coding
All 55 to 59 three speed have an assembly date located on the right hand side of the main case flandge where the tail housing bolts to the main case.
This stamping is unlike the casting number which is raised off the surface of the individual part.
This stamping is usually alpha code indicating the source of the trans followed by several numbers indicating specific month & day the trans was assembled.
Saginaw 3 speeds were built in both Saginaw, Michigan & Munchie, Indiana.
A typical Saginaw assembly date stamp would be S313 indicating Saginaw trans produced March 13. There is not a year identification in the assembly code. You must refer to the casting dates of the particular case to discover the year of manufacture remembering that the casting date must alway precede the assembly date.
Saginaw Maincase I.D.
The 55 three speed main case is casting #3845122 used through the 1957 for both passenger & corvette models.
The #3743368 maincase was used in most 1958 with some applications into the 1963 model years.
All maincases were manufactured out of cast iron.
SaginawTailhousing I.D.
Several extensions used during 55 to 59 model years. The primary difference was tied to model usuage.
1955 to 1959 passenger tailhousing casting #3707195
Corvette #3722946.
The 1957 to 1960 corvette #3737450 then changed to #3722946 with addition of venting assenbly.
Saginaw Sidecover I.D.
There were 4 different sidecovers used from 1955 to 1959.
The differences in the grooved shafts that protrude through the side cover are the best indicators as to wether the trans is for a passenger car or corvette.
On corvettes the shaft groovesare at the top with the shaft in the mounted position, which causes the shift levers to point upwards. On passenger cars the levers point to the side or downward depending on the particular car application.
These are the numbers 1955 two designs #3845044 & #3845157.
In 1956 #3845157 for both passenger & corvettes.
In 1957 two designs #3741357 for passenger cars #3731911 for corvettes.
This was maintained through the 1963 year.

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#11 ·
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Saginaw Sidecover I.D.
There were 4 different sidecovers used from 1955 to 1959.
The differences in the grooved shafts that protrude through the side cover are the best indicators as to wether the trans is for a passenger car or corvette.
On corvettes the shaft groovesare at the top with the shaft in the mounted position, which causes the shift levers to point upwards. On passenger cars the levers point to the side or downward depending on the particular car application.
These are the numbers 1955 two designs #3845044 & #3845157.
In 1956 #3845157 for both passenger & corvettes.
In 1957 two designs #3741357 for passenger cars #3731911 for corvettes.
This was maintained through the 1963 year.

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I know this thread is old but hopefully you wise guys ;) can help me out with out starting a new thread. I have a 56 belair but it appears to have a 283 corvette engine in it and a three speed manual tranny. I'm trying to identify the tranny so I can order some parts for it. According to the quoted section above my side plate has the same numbers as the 1955 Saginaw- 3845044.
So does that settle it or do I need more info to correctly id the tranny? It has the long output shaft cone. The numbers on that case are GM 8 8707195
and the numbers on te main case are GM 8 3345122
Thanks for the help!
 
#8 ·
The prior post is the first time I have ever heard of a pre 66 non syncro 1st three speed called a Saginaw. I used to blow Saginaw %^& up in the 70s and when you went to the junkyard and asked for a Saginaw you got a 66 up full syncro. The pictured trans looks like an OEM 55-57 whatever they are called. I have seen shorter tailhousings on this trans. They are the only trans I have ever srrn easier to break than a Saginaw.
 
#9 ·
The photos are of a 55-57 trans. 58-64 are similar except they have the short tail housing.

I'm with Mark on the terminology too. The 58-65 transmissions are not commonly called a Saginaw even if they technically are. Most guys when they say "Saginaw" are talking the fully synchronized 3 speed from 66 up, or the similar 4 speed. That transmission has a longer case but the overall length is the same as the original transmission.
 
#10 ·
i read that i could use a 85 s10 transmission w/ external clutch and have it easily bolt up to the 235 bell housing with minor adjustment. i can get my hands on an 85 s10 trans w/ external clutch but its a 4 speed not a t5 model. will it still fit with a little help or will this turn into a cluster ****.
 
#13 ·
55thru57 trans is a Muncie 318

We have been over this before. The original trans used in tri fives is a Muncie 318. If it has four bolts on the side cover its a Muncie. The Saginaw has 7 bolts on the side cover and didn't come out until the mid 1960,s. I have a original factory 1967 CHEVROLET TRUCK CHASSIS OVERHAUL MANUAL. The book GM gave to the dealerships. and on pages 7G-15 thru pages 7G-24 GM themselves called it a MUNCIE.
 
#14 ·
We have been over this before. The original trans used in tri fives is a Muncie 318. If it has four bolts on the side cover its a Muncie. The Saginaw has 7 bolts on the side cover and didn't come out until the mid 1960,s. I have a original factory 1967 CHEVROLET TRUCK CHASSIS OVERHAUL MANUAL. The book GM gave to the dealerships. and on pages 7G-15 thru pages 7G-24 GM themselves called it a MUNCIE.
Thank you for your help lonewolf. Could you recommend a good online resource for reassembling this transmission? Google is not very helpful...